Dell UltraSharp 2005FPW

[CAG]

I actually found a picture of it in Dell's "Image Bank" Link is here (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/imagebank/en/displays?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs) Can't find any specs for it but I guess they'll be out soon enough. It's definitely a widescreen :D

[CAG]

Specs, price, etc., HERE (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/pressoffice/en/2004/2004_11_02_rr_000?c=us&l=en&s=corp) from Dell press release...available today, so it'll probably be on their Site soon...$799, 12ms-16ms. Can't wait to see some reviews :)

[Stainless]

I'm sending my incredibly $hitty system back.

http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/corporate/imagebank/desktops/dim_xps_300.jpg

[CAG]

Read my post in the XPS Gen 4 thread, Stainless...Anyway, reading the specs on this new panel, it is smaller than the 2001FP, has a lower native res, and the response time is a little faster. At $799, its probably a really nice, relatively small, widescreen but nothing on the order of some of the really expensive 23"-24" widescreens that are around. With the way Dell does it sales, you'll probably be able to pick one in a couple of weeks for ~$700...again, I want to see some reviews.

[TheAngryIntern]

what's wrong with your XPS, stainless? I thought those were supposed to be pretty good machines, at least for a company like dell.

[CAG]

Originally posted by CAG
it is smaller than the 2001FP
I take that back...I did some measuring on my 2001FP panel and its dimensions are ~H12"X W16" (4:3 aspect ratio)...the 2005FPW dimensions are H15.3" x W18.6"...definitely larger

[Stainless]

Originally posted by TheAngryIntern
what's wrong with your XPS, stainless?

Within a week it's become yesterday's news. Other than that, nothing. I'm whining.

[TheAngryIntern]

oh....i thought maybe it was a crappy system. of course, if you always wait for the next big thing, you'll never upgrade!!!

[Stainless]

Originally posted by CAG
I take that back...I did some measuring on my 2001FP panel and its dimensions are ~H12"X W16" (4:3 aspect ratio)...the 2005FPW dimensions are H15.3" x W18.6"...definitely larger

I'm not thinking those measurements can be correct for the panel itself. Dell states that it's a 16:10 aspect ratio. Dividing that you get 1.6. If you calculate using the resolution you get 1680/1050, or 1.6. Using the measurements that Dell has listed you get 18.6/15.3, or 1.21. Something doesn't add up. It also states the depth is 9 inches. The measurements of the display itself might possibly be 16.8WX10.5H.

I have no idea if any of that is correct. It's been a couple of decades since I've done any math.

[CAG]

When I read the specs, I assumed that H15.3" x W18.6" were the screen dimensions but you may be correct...it may include the bezel. But even with that, it would still be a little bigger than the 2001FP...with the bezel, the 2001FP's dimensions are ~H13 1/2"X W17 3/4".

[CAG]

Originally posted by TheAngryIntern
of course, if you always wait for the next big thing, you'll never upgrade!!! Agreed...there'll always be something "newer-faster-better" coming along...so, you've got to end the cycle at some point.

[CAG]

Just checked Dell's site...still hasn't gone on sale yet.

CAG

[cvoytek]

I just got off the phone with them and cancelled the 2001 order. The 2005 is (or will be shortly) available with system purchases but not stand alone for the time being. He said to keep checking online to see when it's available stand alone.

His documentation said that it was designed for multimedia and gaming so it should be good for gaming. Please post when the first reviews come out and when it is available stand alone.

yep here it is configurable in the xps gen 3 config
'Dell 20 inch UltraSharp™ 2005FPW Widescreen, adjustable stand, VGA/DVI [add $560 or $17/month1]'

[CAG]

Thanks for the info, cvoytek. Apparently, its available only with the XPS and Dimension 8400. Dell did that with the 2001FP...you could only get it bundled with a system for the first 2-3 months after it was launched. Dell has another panel, the 17" 1704FPT (12ms response time), that you can only get with a desktop system. Unfortunately, I don't need a desktop system right now.

CAG

[CAG]

but ONLY if you have a Dell "Premier Account" thru Dell Medium & Large Business. :( Dell contacted me via email about 4-5 months ago about opening a Premier Account and I never bothered to respond...I think I will now.

[firstadopter]

One bad thing about the 2005PPW is that I don't think a lot of games support the native 1680X1050 resolution, so it will probably have to run and scale a lower resolution.

Most games do support the 1600x1200 of 2001FP however.

[CAG]

The press release had a comment about games being optimzied for widescreen. Before you buy it, I guess you'd have to check each game to see if it supports the resolution. Anyway, everything is going to widescreen so I guess the newer games will too.

BTW, I just applied for a Dell Premier Account. ;)

[arogan]

since my new laptop is 15.4" widescreen (it has the same 16:10 aspect ratio) I tried a few games (to cover the major engines) to see if they supported 16:10 resolutions:

source: Yes
doom 3: not in the options menu but look here: http://ucguides.savagehelp.com/Doom3/FAQ_Widescreen.htm
ut2004: yes

I still need to test far cry.

So it would seem most modern game engines support widescreen just fine.

[CAG]

Great info, arogan! ... I feel much better about this game/aspect ratio thing. :D

[abarsami]

If the screen height is equal to or greater than the 2001fp then it's awesome. But if it is smaller ... it's no good.

[pat8]

Actually, it's pretty easy to figure out the screen size given it's 20 in diag (same as 2001FP) and has a 16-10 ratio. This works out to a screen size of 18" (actually 17.997) by 11.25" (actually 11.24). Means that the 2005FPW is shorter but wider.

Pat

[CAG]

abarsami and pat8, welcome to the forum. :)

The relevent dimensions of the 2005FPW posted here (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/pressoffice/en/2004/2004_11_02_rr_000?c=us&l=en&s=corp) are H15.3" x W18.6" which includes the width of the bezel (approx. 1"). I measured my 2001FP with the 1" bezel and its ~H13 1/2" x W17 3/4". Therefore, it appears that the screen of 2005FPW is a good bit higher and wider than the 2001FP.

CAG

[elmalloc]

Games do not support taht resolution, as the above post said. If you have to scale the resolution down to somthing that's supported, it won't look that good.

Maybe there'esa reason it's only $700-800, maybe that's it.

I won't buy it utnil I see some reviews on it's gaming performace and hwo the PQ looks scaled down.

[davebytes]

Thought I'd drop into the thread and say hi. Since I was one of the sites that broke the story on Tuesday (http://www.chait.net/index.php?p=504), thought I might have some info to add.

If you guys want the latest I've gathered on the 2005FPW and availability/pricing (well, as of today at least), check out my latest post at CHAITGEAR (http://www.chait.net/index.php?p=508). It is actually available with a number of different dimension boxes, on the Home site, and there's at least one outstanding deal to be had if you need a new rig. ;)

Also, when it comes to widescreen gaming, I can give at least a little input (having been a game developer for a decade, and implemented the Nascar Racing 2003 Season widescreen support). Most of the FPS engines at this point either internally or via config files should support control of resolution and some level of aspect ratio (or auto-calc it). Many of the sim (flight, driving) games should support it as well.

The games that haven't necessarily jumped on the bandwagon are some of the non-fully-3D RTS games, and a lot of the 2D stuff.

Any Q's, thoughts, etc., fire away. Hopefully I'll be trolling a bit more, now that I know there's a bunch 'o folks out there that are gadget freaks like I am! ;)

-d

[CAG]

Welcome aboard, Dave :)

Thanks for the info on the game/aspect ratio question. It puts this matter to rest, at least for me. I have to believe that with widescreens becoming more and more common, game developers will have to adjust to the panels and not the other way around.

With regard to the availability of the 2005FPW, you can actually buy it stand-alone if you have a Dell Premier Account thru Dell Medium & Large Business at a sale price of $595.87. Initially bundling it with their pc systems is something Dell did with the 2001FP for the first 2-3 months after it was introduced. Hopefully, they'll release it as a stand-alone soon at Dell Home and Dell SB.

And yes, we are pretty much gadget freaks on this board...thus the name "FirstAdopter". Hopefully, we'll soon have a full-blown review of the 2005FPW posted.

CAG

BTW, I've bookmarked your site ;)

[Stainless]

Assuming it's 20" diagonal, the actual screen measurements would be approximately 10.6"H x 16.96"W

[Stainless]

Maybe it's bigger than 20" diagonal. Although, when listed as a choice for a new system purchase it's described as a 20" panel. Dell is charging the same amount to upgrade to either the 2001FP or the 2005FPW.

The 2005FPW weighs less than the 2001FP.

[CAG]

Originally posted by elmalloc
Games do not support taht resolution, as the above post said. If you have to scale the resolution down to somthing that's supported, it won't look that good.

Maybe there'esa reason it's only $700-800, maybe that's it.

I won't buy it utnil I see some reviews on it's gaming performace and hwo the PQ looks scaled down.
Welcome to the forum, elmalloc :) I agree that a review would be good...maybe FirstAdopter will get one up ;)

CAG

[elmalloc]

Hello Cag,

I would not put the issue to rest just yet. Some games do support 16x9, does that mean thtey support 16x10?

I really think this is the LCD to buy, I'm on a Sony 19" CRT right now, a 20" LCD would be absolutely awesome if it will work well for gaming (I.E. Half Life 2).

I wonder what games look like on it that arent widescreen (like quake 2..)

-ELmO

[CAG]

Originally posted by Stainless
Assuming it's 20" diagonal, the actual screen measurements would be approximately 10.6"H x 16.96"W The 2005FPW panel dimensions (including a ~1" bezel) are H15.3" x W18.6". So, subtracting 2" from each measurement, the screen size must be ~H13.3" x W16.6"...bigger than the 2001FP. Anyway, it would sure be nice if we had side-by-side pics of the 2005FPW and 2001FP.

[CAG]

Originally posted by elmalloc
Hello Cag,

I would not put the issue to rest just yet. Some games do support 16x9, does that mean thtey support 16x10?

I really think this is the LCD to buy, I'm on a Sony 19" CRT right now, a 20" LCD would be absolutely awesome if it will work well for gaming (I.E. Half Life 2).

I wonder what games look like on it that arent widescreen (like quake 2..)

-ELmO I can't answer the 16:9/16:10 question but arogan posted earlier in this thread about what games he can play on his 15.4" laptop display which is 16:10...the 15.4" panel is a fairly common laptop display; so, I would guess that any games that support the 15.4" also have support for the 2005FPW. Anyway, I wouldn't be too worried about it...with widescreens becoming more common, I think you'll see patches for existing games that don't support them.

CAG

[davebytes]

Yes, most any game that has complete resolution control and supports 16:9 will natively support 16:10 as well. It's a simple (well, rather simple) computation to figure out the proper aspect ratio adjustments for a 3D view when you assume the height is your constant, and you need to figure out the proper field-of-view for the width of the screen.

Nascar 2003 implemented this, and could run 16:9, 16:10, though in fact it was corely designed to run 3:1 (triplehead, matrox parhelia). Quite impressive if you've never seen a triplehead setup...

Also, folks should remember that 1280x1024 is NOT a 4:3 aspect ratio, but a 5:4 ratio... ;) Games already have to adapt to screen res, and once implemented to support generalized widescreen, any widescreen should work fine. (Yeah, yeah... I'm generalizing here!) Most 'big name' game engines should be there already. If not, CAG is right, they'll be patching quickly -- lord knows playing games on a widescreen LCD or Plasma TV is quite cool... ;)

As this conversation has shown, some people would prefer 1600x1200 on a 20" LCD vs 1680x1050 on 20" widescreen. These things are always up to personal opinion.

Oh, it should be noted this is also a great screen for viewing DVDs, DivX, etc. movies on. It's no anamorphic ratio, but 16:9 and 16:10 do well, whereas a 4:3 monitor has huge bars top and bottom.

-d

[elmalloc]

Then I am buying it today, anyoen want a Sony 19" trinitron CRT that probably weighs 60 or 70 lbs? XD.

[Stainless]

Originally posted by CAG
The 2005FPW panel dimensions (including a ~1" bezel) are H15.3" x W18.6". So, subtracting 2" from each measurement, the screen size must be ~H13.3" x W16.6"...bigger than the 2001FP. Anyway, it would sure be nice if we had side-by-side pics of the 2005FPW and 2001FP.

Those measurements do not support the claim made by Dell that the aspect ratio is 16:10.

I'm not a math genius or anything, but if you divide 16/10 you get 1.6. If you divide the measurements you're claiming in the same manner you get 1.24.

Those measurements are also indicative of a screen measuring approximately 21.275".

IMO, that can't be correct.

The screen is either bigger than 20", the bezel measurements are not the same as the 2001FP or Dell's measurements on their website are incorrect/misleading.

[CAG]

Stainless,

I think you're suggestion is right that the 2005FPW screen has a diagonal measurement greater than 20". I think some of impreciseness comes from my assumption that the bezel is 1" wide...its probably close to that but not exact. When we get our hands on this panel, we'll know for sure. :)

CAG

[CAG]

Originally posted by davebytes
Yes, most any game that has complete resolution control and supports 16:9 will natively support 16:10 as well. It's a simple (well, rather simple) computation to figure out the proper aspect ratio adjustments for a 3D view when you assume the height is your constant, and you need to figure out the proper field-of-view for the width of the screen.

Nascar 2003 implemented this, and could run 16:9, 16:10, though in fact it was corely designed to run 3:1 (triplehead, matrox parhelia). Quite impressive if you've never seen a triplehead setup...

Also, folks should remember that 1280x1024 is NOT a 4:3 aspect ratio, but a 5:4 ratio... ;) Games already have to adapt to screen res, and once implemented to support generalized widescreen, any widescreen should work fine. (Yeah, yeah... I'm generalizing here!) Most 'big name' game engines should be there already. If not, CAG is right, they'll be patching quickly -- lord knows playing games on a widescreen LCD or Plasma TV is quite cool... ;)

As this conversation has shown, some people would prefer 1600x1200 on a 20" LCD vs 1680x1050 on 20" widescreen. These things are always up to personal opinion.

Oh, it should be noted this is also a great screen for viewing DVDs, DivX, etc. movies on. It's no anamorphic ratio, but 16:9 and 16:10 do well, whereas a 4:3 monitor has huge bars top and bottom.Thank you, Dave...your expertise is incredibly helpful. I don't think I'd have a problem with the 1680x1050 resolution...the 1600x1200 on 2001FP is pretty high and with the higher contrast ratio of the 2005FPW, I don't believe you'd see any loss in image quality...it actually may be better. And you're right...watching widescreen DVD movies, etc., on a "full screen" panel pretty much ruins the experience. Anyway, with the interest this panel has generated in just a couple of days, Dell will have them back-ordered and the ebay sellers will be pushing them at a premium.

CAG

[Stainless]

Something is definitely up with regards to the measurements. I haven't read anything in the releases associated with the new monitor stating that it's 20 inches. The only reason I assumed that it's 20" is because Dell lists it as a 20" monitor when you're building a system.

[Softlander]

I am new to this forum. After I learned about the new Dell UltraSharp 2005FPW, I am hestitated to my new 2001FP. I just bought a new system with 2001FP at Dell weeks ago. I just set them up last week. It's still less than 21 days.

I guess my concern on 2005FPW is whether I can play game on wide screen using its optimal resolution (1680 x 1050). After I read all of your feedback, it seems that it's not a bad idea to get 2005FPW (instead of 2001FP).

It makes me want to return the monitor. I really bought it in the wrong time :(

[markley268]

Ok, let's settle this screen size thing once and for all.....

Dell claims the DPI is 300 right (both the 2001FP and the 2005FPW)?

Each 'pixel' is composed of three dots, RGB

that means that you effectively have 100 pixels per inch.

This means that for the 2001FP, which is 1600x1200, the actual screen size of the pixels is 16"w x 12"h (which fits with the 4:3 aspect ratio, and comes out to a 20" diagonal)

This also means that the 2005FPW, which is 1680x1050 has its actual screen size of the pixels at 16.8"w x 10.5"h (which comes out to a 19.811" diagonal)


Now, you may be saying "wait a minute, the 2001FP is supposed to be a 20.1" diagonal, and the 2005FPW is supposed to be a 20" diagonal"

Well, the real #'s for a 4:3 20.1" diagonal are 16.08"w x 12.06"h, seems like they're measuring slightly beyond the pixel range.

Also, the real dims for a 16:10, 20" screen are 16.96"w x 10.60"h, which again, seems like they are measuring slightly beyond the pixel range.


There, it's settled. Pythagoras doesn't lie about right triangles.

[CAG]

Originally posted by Softlander
I am new to this forum. After I learned about the new Dell UltraSharp 2005FPW, I am hestitated to my new 2001FP. I just bought a new system with 2001FP at Dell weeks ago. I just set them up last week. It's still less than 21 days.

I guess my concern on 2005FPW is whether I can play game on wide screen using its optimal resolution (1680 x 1050). After I read all of your feedback, it seems that it's not a bad idea to get 2005FPW (instead of 2001FP).

It makes me want to return the monitor. I really bought it in the wrong time :( Welcome to the board, Softlander :)

The 2001FP is a beautiful panel and is one of the best LCD's around for gaming. On the other hand, the 2005FPW, despite all the speculation about it will/won't do, is an unknown...tough choice. Let us know what you decide to do.

CAG

[CAG]

Originally posted by markley268
Ok, let's settle this screen size thing once and for all.....

Dell claims the DPI is 300 right (both the 2001FP and the 2005FPW)?

Each 'pixel' is composed of three dots, RGB

that means that you effectively have 100 pixels per inch.

This means that for the 2001FP, which is 1600x1200, the actual screen size of the pixels is 16"w x 12"h (which fits with the 4:3 aspect ratio, and comes out to a 20" diagonal)

This also means that the 2005FPW, which is 1680x1050 has its actual screen size of the pixels at 16.8"w x 10.5"h (which comes out to a 19.811" diagonal)


Now, you may be saying "wait a minute, the 2001FP is supposed to be a 20.1" diagonal, and the 2005FPW is supposed to be a 20" diagonal"

Well, the real #'s for a 4:3 20.1" diagonal are 16.08"w x 12.06"h, seems like they're measuring slightly beyond the pixel range.

Also, the real dims for a 16:10, 20" screen are 16.96"w x 10.60"h, which again, seems like they are measuring slightly beyond the pixel range.


There, it's settled. Pythagoras doesn't lie about right triangles. Welcome to the forum, markley268 :).

I won't argue with Pythagorus but I think the problem is that everyone is stuck on Dell calling it a 20" monitor and assuming that this description is the diagonal measurement. I think that Dell has described it as this more for convenience than anything else...while you can say a 2001FP is a 20" panel (i.e., 20.1" diagonal) which is the common way of describing 4:3 panels, widescreens don't lend themselves well to this kind of description. As an example of this, Dell actually lists the screen measurement of the 2001FP in its specs as 20.1" diagonal...it gives no screen dimensions (diagonal or otherwise) for the widescreen 2005FPW. The dimensions that I came up with and posted earlier in this thread for the 2005FPW are simply from taking the panel's dimensions (H & W) posted by Dell and simply subtracting what is likely a ~1" bezel width.

CAG

[Silo]

Just bought my 2001FP back on 10/18. Figures a new one would come out.

Well, after a lot of digging, I can't really find much info on the 2005FP. I convinced myself to just stick with my 2001FP. I only have a few days left of my return policy anyway.

But wait! I notice it's almost $50 cheaper on the site now than what I paid a few weeks back. Naturally, I called Dell wanting the difference refunded. It's a reasonable thing to request. Most retailers happily do so.

After a LOT of runaround, they still wouldn't let me do it. So I said "ok, if I return it and buy a new one, I'll save $40, correct?" they said yes, so I said "ok I want to return it." About halfway through the process, I asked if it was going to cost me. The Indian lady said "yes because there is nothing wrong with the product." I brought up the 100% satisfaction guarantee, and eventually got them to return it at no cost to me.

I just wanted my $50 refunded, but now I'm returning the monitor. This will buy me time to either find more info on the 2005FP, or order another 2001 and save some money. heh.

Has anyone else tried getting a price difference refunded? I know I read somewhere in the 100+ pages for the 2001FP about people doing that. Didn't sound like they had any trouble.

*shrug* Oh well, I'm getting one or the other eventually. heh.

[CAG]

Silo,

What you asked Dell certainly makes sense...if you can return the panel and buy another one for $50 less, Dell ought to let you keep the panel and give you the $50. I honestly believe that it depends on who you talk to...if you call today and get someone else, you may get a different answer.

One other thing you ought to consider is that Dell has a "price protection" policy...if the price of what you bought goes down by a certain % within 30 days of purchase, you can ask for the difference...I know it applies to pc systems but I'm not sure about other products...go HERE (http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board?board.id=cc_credit_return), read the FAQ, and post a "price protection" request if its applicable to you. Post back and let us know how it turns out.

CAG

[Softlander]

Hi all,

Below are the links for Dell 2001FP and 2005FPW User Guide.

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/2001fp/EN/INDEX.HTM

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/2005FPW/English/index.htm


After I read the size of the LCD, it seems that 2001FP has a larger area of display.

2001FP - 16.1in x 12.1in - area = 194.81 inches sqaure

2005FPW - 17in x 10.7in - area = 181.9 inches square

Personally I like the design on 2001FP. 2005FPW is good too but the stand is less attractive.

I agree with CAG. The performance, or even reliability on 2005FPW is still unknown.

Hope the links help :)

[Softlander]

Hi Silo,

I think the links I posted previously will help you to to find more information on 2005FPW.

I have tried to Chat support to connect to their customor service, desktop support , etc. I feel that it save me some time for waiting on the phone line. It seems that it may be more easy going than using the phone.

I got my 2001FP similar as the time you got. I still have some couple more days before the 21 days period. I am still thinking whether should I switch to 2005FPW. My 2001FP is good. No dead pixel nor scretches. It's hard to let go. :)

I also check the size of the display area, the width is less than one inch wider than 2001FP. BUt of couse the height is shorter. Anyone has addition idea of them? Pro and con to switch to wide 2005FPW?

[CAG]

Thanks for the head-up, Softlander!

I guess that settles the 2005FPW size question...if we were holding a contest, markley268 would have won :) I'm not sure...I'm sitting here looking at my 2001FP and trying to imagine it being an inch wider but ~1 1/2" shorter...I suppose it would be OK.

Dell's marketing on this is really very good...on the one hand, they have to make it this size so it won't compete with their widescreen LCD TV's but, on the other hand, they offer a fast, quality panel at a price that's too sweet to resist...you can get a bigger widescreen from another mfg, but the quality/speed may not be better and you're going to pay twice the price.

[CAG]

Originally posted by Softlander
Pro and con to switch to wide 2005FPW? Aside from the fact that its a little wider and a little shorter, the 2005FPW has about 8% less screen real estate (you'd lose more watching a widescreen DVD movie on the 2001FP with the bars above and below the movie). It has a higher contrast ratio (600:1 vs. 400:1) and it MAY be faster (2005FPW is 12ms grey-to-grey and 16ms black-to-white, so its real world speed is probably around 14ms depending on what you're watching...Dell doesn't give grey-to-grey/black-to-white speeds for the 2001FP so its real world speed is unknown AFAIK) What I'm about to say may be totally inaccurate but the slightly lower resolution and higher contrast ratio of the 2005FPW may give it better color quality...I have an older UltraSharp 1702FP with 1280 x 1024 and a 800+:1 contrast ratio (according to PC World's tests) and imo, its color quality is better than the 2001FP.

Like I said before, tough choice.

CAG

[abarsami]

Looks like the height is the same as a 17" monitor.

[Softlander]

Hi CAG,

I have similar action as you. Besides imagine the size of 2005FPW, I even measure it using a ruler. It's tougher for me because my current 2001FP is pretty good.. No dead pixel. The color is good too. I guess I might stick with this ... three more days for me to decide.. :)

Moreover, when you shut down you computer, did you hear any low volume buzzz sounds from the 2001FP? I usually hear some buzzzz type sound until the LCD turn to power-saved mode. It's smilar to those CRT. Do you think it's normal? I don't hear that sound significantly during the computer is on. I guess that buzz sounds still exist when the computer is on... May be I am too sensitive...

Thanks

Vince

[firstadopter]

I happy with my 2001FP and feel no compelling reason to upgrade.

The only thing that attracts me is the lower response time 12ms vs. 16ms. I love 1600x1200 as it fits two web pages just fine.

But frankly I notice no ghosting in games anyway, so the advantage might be mute.

[Silo]

I'm in the same boat as you, Rendition.

I decided I'm perfectly content with my 2001... until I had a run-in with the Indian lady on the phone. *sigh* I've got time to make a level-headed decision between the two now, heh.

So thanks, "Sharon," if you're out there.
(Wonder if her name was really Sharon....heh)

[CAG]

Originally posted by Softlander
Moreover, when you shut down you computer, did you hear any low volume buzzz sounds from the 2001FP? I usually hear some buzzzz type sound until the LCD turn to power-saved mode. It's smilar to those CRT. Do you think it's normal? I don't hear that sound significantly during the computer is on. I guess that buzz sounds still exist when the computer is on... May be I am too sensitive...

Thanks

Vince I don't hear anything, Vince...where is the buzz coming from?

[elmalloc]

2005FPW is not offered outside of a system purchase? How long do you guys think we have to wait?

I wanted everyone to see my room set up currently. This is a new Toshiba 46" DLP. Before everyone says HOOK YOUR PC UP TO IT! I tried. It has an HDMI input on it. I went DVI out to HDMI in on the TV. Man was it trouble, ghosting when it worked, resolutions would'nt show up at all on the set, etc.

It's such a shame. I'm probably going to just replace my 19" trinitron with Dell's 20" widescreen LCD and cry that I couldn't get the 46" DLP to work...

<img src="http://s92486709.onlinehome.us/images/TV/room.jpg">

-ELmO

[TheAngryIntern]

nice TV!! too bad about it not having a DVI port. I plan on getting the Samsung DLP tv's that I believe have both DVI and HDMI. I still can't seem to find any DVD players that have either output, though.

[Softlander]

Originally posted by CAG
I don't hear anything, Vince...where is the buzz coming from?

Hi CAG,

Thanks for your quick reply.

I didn't hear that during my computer is on. I only noticed the small buzz sound during the computer is turned off. As you know, there is around 2 second before the LCD is turned to power-saved mode. During that moment, I noticed that... I following the source, that small buzz sounds is from the back of the LCD. Be specific, it's from the inside of the LCD.

I assume all electronic may have certain noise and I think that's normal... I guess... I just wonder whehter do you notice that sound... Assume your room is quite (all TV or stuffs are turned off)...

Moreover, do you know how the manufacter the size of the wide screen LCD? Are they measured by diagonal or the width or the screen?

Thanks

Vince

[elmalloc]

they cost more..my denon 2910 has a DVI and HDMI output. Get a Denon 1910, I thikn it's $250 - it has DVI and HDMI output.

Samsung is king for connecting a PC to it...

I do not like having the title "Farm Animal", I iwll need to post more.

[fev]

elmalloc,

You might check out this link regarding getting pc and widescreen tv to work together:

http://www.tigerdave.com/wgl/

Hate to not be able to use the 46 incher. Good luck.

[Stainless]

Originally posted by CAG
I guess that settles the 2005FPW size question...if we were holding a contest, markley268 would have won :)

Originally posted by Stainless
Assuming it's 20" diagonal, the actual screen measurements would be approximately 10.6"H x 16.96"W

[Stainless]

Looks like Dell now has the 2005FPW added to their help database. Let's see if this works.

[Stainless]

Part 2

[elmalloc]

You guys, we can't order the 2005FPW by itself, we have ot order it with a pC. When will this change?

Big mistake for now, I assume, because I don't want a new PC, especially because they don't have one with a radeon x800xt...

-ELmO

[CAG]

Stainless,

Looks like you may been the first to come up with the correct dimensions...sorry for not giving you credit...I didn't read back far enough in the thread.

CAG

[firstadopter]

Dell probably has supply constraints for now. They usually do that for parts that are in limited supply.

[CAG]

Dell just posted it HERE (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?sku=320-4111&c=us&l=en&cs=19&category_id=5194&first=true&page=productlisting.aspx)...at a very sweet $679.15 :) Its $799 @ Dell SB.

CAG

[Silo]

Yeesh. That's only a few cents off what I paid for the 2001FP.

I'm Ohhhhh so tempted to take the plunge and try it out as soon as Dell refunds my CC for the 2001 that I sent back.

I could always relay some good info back to you guys, hehe.

I should probably be level headed and thing about the purchase first though. *sigh*

[Stainless]

Originally posted by CAG
Stainless,

Looks like you may been the first to come up with the correct dimensions...sorry for not giving you credit...I didn't read back far enough in the thread.

CAG

Not a problem. I'm just being a difficult.

It's interesting that the picture Dell has posted for comparisons makes the 2005FPW look bigger in almost every dimension when compared to the 2001FP.

I may call today and see if Dell will send a 2005FPW to "replace" my 2001FP. I'm pretty sure the reduced screen area will be a minus in my book.

[elmalloc]

Am I the first to buy? If ya'll think I can play half life 2 fine on it, I'm all over it like marbyle on rye.

[Stainless]

Originally posted by elmalloc
I don't want a new PC, especially because they don't have one with a radeon x800xt...

-ELmO

I'm pretty sure the Dell XPS I just got has the 256meg Radeon X800XT.

[cvoytek]

Nice find CAG - Now we just need some people to take the plunge and do some reviews!

[elmalloc]

Originally posted by Stainless
I'm pretty sure the Dell XPS I just got has the 256meg Radeon X800XT.

argh, that's quite expensive though. It's hard to find the x800xt (or the PE versoin), don't want to spend over 2K fo ra new PC though - think my current PC is fine just need x800xt for half life 2. ;)

[elmalloc]

dawg ill take the plunge, i spent about 5-6K the past 2 weeks on a new tv/sound setup, but I'm not sure if I want a laptop with 9800 chip, or kepe my desktop and go for an x800xt (and a nice LCD).

2 thigns on latter:
- desk for PC is takng up way too much room in my 11x11 room and interfering with my home theater speakers and music.
- not sure how well widescreen adheres to gaming and older games like quake 2, i still put in a lot of rocket arena 2 hours in q2....

-ELmO

[firstadopter]

UPDATE: Dell has contacted FirstAdopter.com and said 2001FP is NOT being replaced. Dell sees the 2005FPW as a new addition to their product line as their "wide-screen" LCD monitor. The email is as follows -

The 2005FPW does NOT replace the 2001FP. It is a new addition to our product line. It is Dell’s first widescreen, but we do feel customers will still want a 20” standard 4:3 aspect-ratio monitor, so we are not discontinuing the 2001FP, nor will there be a “firesale.”

[TheAngryIntern]

if there will be no "firesale" how do the explain the sudden $200 pricedrop coinciding with the announcement of the new monitor?

[firstadopter]

I'm only the messenger. :) However it does look like the 2001FP is here to stay, for now.

[CAG]

So, does this mean they're NOT sending us a free 2005FPW to review...? :(

BTW, just a little while ago and several other times this afternoon, I got some sort of "too many connections" error warning when I tried to logon to the forum...a DoS attack from Dell :eek:?

[firstadopter]

Our message board forum is getting overloaded, I'm working with our web hoster to get it fixed. They told me the problem will go away if I upgrade to a more expensive account. I just upgraded today, but I'm still getting the problem. Grrrrr.

[CAG]

Just happened again :mad:

[elmalloc]

ya'll getting overloaded because youre one of the first sites that apperas in google for 2005FPW, and then the news article says you have hte largest message board forum dedicated to the dell 2005FPW - which i woulndt say teh largest msg forum but definitely the largest thread at this time - look at all the newbies joining up.

You have found the secret to business success,tell me how you did it so I can make money in real life please....

[firstadopter]

Ha I wish. Thanks for kind words. But FA is just a hobby at this point.

A money losing one, but it's fun hanging around like-minded smart folk like FA-ers. FA-ers rock!

[JohnS12]

I have an IBM laptop that has a standard 1024x768 display. It has a ATI Rage Mobility-M. When I look at my resolution choices in Display Properties I see
1024x768
1280x1024
1600x1200
as the only choices.

I do not see 1680x1050 as a choice, does that mean I can't use the 2005FPW with my laptop?

Do widescreen desktop displays such as the 2005FTP come with software to make it work?

Thanks

[akepa]

Originally posted by Softlander

2001FP - 16.1in x 12.1in - area = 194.81 inches sqaure

2005FPW - 17in x 10.7in - area = 181.9 inches square
[/B]

Here's an image I made based on these measurements to help compare the screensizes.

[CAG]

Welcome to the forum, JohnS12 :)

What you're seeing in Display Properties are the resolutions your laptop monitor will support. I'm not familiar with your video card but when you're in Display Properties>Settings, click on "Advanced", then the "Monitor" tab, and then uncheck the "Hide modes, etc." box, and see if the drop-down menu has the 1680x1050 resolution listed. You might want to review this Microsoft KB article http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309569 It kind of explains what I'm talking about.

Hope this helps,

CAG

[CAG]

Welcome to the board, akepa :)

Thanks for the images...it really lets you compare the panel dimensions! I think I'm really going to have to get one of these...in the words of The Borg: "Resistance is futile".

CAG

[Chris G]

Originally posted by CAG
Welcome to the forum, JohnS12 :)

What you're seeing in Display Properties are the resolutions your laptop monitor will support. I'm not familiar with your video card but when you're in Display Properties>Settings, click on "Advanced", then the "Monitor" tab, and then uncheck the "Hide modes, etc." box, and see if the drop-down menu has the 1680x1050 resolution listed. You might want to review this Microsoft KB article http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309569 It kind of explains what I'm talking about.

Hope this helps,

CAG


What do you do if your video card does not support the resolution? Will there be new video card drivers that would fix that?

[CAG]

I think most cards would support it. For example, my ATi Radeon 9800 non-pro (which is a fairly old card) supports up to 2048 x 1536; so I have no doubt that it will support 1680x1050.

[Chris G]

Originally posted by CAG
I think most cards would support it. For example, my ATi Radeon 9800 non-pro (which is a fairly old card) supports up to 2048 x 1536; so I have no doubt that it will support 1680x1050.

I have a 9800 pro and I checked the resolutions that it supports and it doesn't say 1680x1050. It does however support 2048 x 1536.

Maybe this is one of the first monitors that the native resolution is 1680 x 1050. Hopefully in time ATI will support it.

[Chris G]

I just found this at the ATI site.

Scroll down to see resolutions

http://www.ati.com/products/radeon9800/radeon9800pro/specs.html

[firstadopter]

I bet you need new drivers to support 2005FPW's native resolution.

[JohnS12]

Thanks for your reply CAG.

I was able to de-select the "Hide modes that this monitor cannot display" checkbox for display 1 which is the built in LCD panel. When I did this the Screen resolutions now allowed 1280x1024 and 1600x1200 for the built in display even though the display can only handle 1024x768. When I tried to de-select the checkbox for display 2, the external display I was not able to, the checkbox is disabled.

Is it possble that the ATI Rage Mobility-M video card in this laptop simply cannot handle the new widescreen resolutions.

[CAG]

Originally posted by JohnS12
Is it possble that the ATI Rage Mobility-M video card in this laptop simply cannot handle the new widescreen resolutions. I don't know about all widescreen resolutions but it may be true of a resolution as high as 1680x1050. You ought to contact ATi support to find out if it will. Link is here http://www.ati.com/support/contact.html I'd suggest going the email route since it doesn't appear that your card is supported on the site (I don't think any of their mobility cards are)...Alternatively, check your laptops' owner manual or contact them.

[CAG]

Rendition, Chris G, and all:

I think there may be some confusion here and maybe I can clear it up with this example:

My video card is capable of firing-up (if needed) 2048 x 1536 = 3,145,728 pixels to create a screen image. The native/optimal resolution of my 2001FP is 1600 x 1200 = 1,920,00 pixels; that is, my monitor will use 1,920,000 pixels to create a screen image which is well within the upper limit of my video card. The driver (.inf file) in my 2001FP will tell Windows to interpret these 1,920,000 pixels in a 4:3 ratio. The native resolution of the 2005FPW is 1680x1050 = 1,764,000 pixels (also well within the limits of my video card) to create a screen image and the driver (.inf file) in the 2005FPW will interpret these 1,764,000 pixels in a 16:10 ratio.

Therefore, don't confuse resolution/aspect ratio with a video card's upper-limit display abilities...the monitor panel and its .inf file determine the number of pixels needed to create a display and what aspect ratio the display will be viewed in...the video card puts an upper limit on how may pixels will be available to do all of this.

Now I could be dead-wrong about all of this but this is how I interpret THIS (http://www.pcguide.com/ref/video/modes_Pixels.htm) article and MS KB article I posted earlier. Also, as a pratical matter, it wouldn't make any sense for Dell to sell a monitor that wasn't supported by any of the video cards it sells.

CAG

[elmalloc]

Anyone bit the bullet yet?

[Chris G]

Originally posted by CAG
Rendition, Chris G, and all:

I think there may be some confusion here and maybe I can clear it up with this example:

My video card is capable of firing-up (if needed) 2048 x 1536 = 3,145,728 pixels to create a screen image. The native/optimal resolution of my 2001FP is 1600 x 1200 = 1,920,00 pixels; that is, my monitor will use 1,920,000 pixels to create a screen image which is well within the upper limit of my video card. The driver (.inf file) in my 2001FP will tell Windows to interpret these 1,920,000 pixels in a 4:3 ratio. The native resolution of the 2005FPW is 1680x1050 = 1,764,000 pixels (also well within the limits of my video card) to create a screen image and the driver (.inf file) in the 2005FPW will interpret these 1,764,000 pixels in a 16:10 ratio.

Therefore, don't confuse resolution/aspect ratio with a video card's upper-limit display abilities...the monitor panel and its .inf file determine the number of pixels needed to create a display and what aspect ratio the display will be viewed in...the video card puts an upper limit on how may pixels will be available to do all of this.

Now I could be dead-wrong about all of this but this is how I interpret THIS (http://www.pcguide.com/ref/video/modes_Pixels.htm) article and MS KB article I posted earlier. Also, as a pratical matter, it wouldn't make any sense for Dell to sell a monitor that wasn't supported by any of the video cards it sells.

CAG

Leave it to a smart guy to figure it out for us.

[sp0000nman]

Originally posted by elmalloc
Anyone bit the bullet yet?

I BIT IT!

I ordered the 2001FP about 5 days ago and it was going to be 2 weeks before they even shipped it out. I was on here reading about the 2001FP and then I seen this thread about 2005FPW. I looked into the 2005FPW and decided I wanted that insted. So....I called Dell and cancelled my order for the 2001FP and then ordered the 2005FPW insted. The 2005FPW is going to be shipped faster than the 2001FP was going to be.

The native resolution won't bother me that bad for games I don't think because alot of newer games have widescreen support. You can edit the config file for most games to to add your own resolution also.

This is going to be my first LCD. I am upgraded from a 19 Samsung Syncmaster CRT.

I will let everyone know how the 2005FPW turns out.

[A64]

I should be getting mine in a day or two.

[elmalloc]

sweet tell me how it works for older games that dont' support widescreen (like quake 2 if you have it!), and I will bite the bullet as well. I presume half life 2 will take it.

[CAG]

Originally posted by Chris G
Leave it to a smart guy to figure it out for us. Thanks, Chris G...(face blushing)

[JohnS12]

I called IBM lastnight and the technician told me my laptop would not be compatible with the 1680x1050 resolution.

I have a 2001FP on order so looks like I will have to stay with that. :(

[CAG]

Originally posted by sp0000nman
I BIT IT!

I ordered the 2001FP about 5 days ago and it was going to be 2 weeks before they even shipped it out. I was on here reading about the 2001FP and then I seen this thread about 2005FPW. I looked into the 2005FPW and decided I wanted that insted. So....I called Dell and cancelled my order for the 2001FP and then ordered the 2005FPW insted. The 2005FPW is going to be shipped faster than the 2001FP was going to be.

The native resolution won't bother me that bad for games I don't think because alot of newer games have widescreen support. You can edit the config file for most games to to add your own resolution also.

This is going to be my first LCD. I am upgraded from a 19 Samsung Syncmaster CRT.

I will let everyone know how the 2005FPW turns out. Welcome to the forum, sp0000nman :)

Please post back with a review...Compared to your CRT, this panel is going to be a major shock to your system :eek: . So, make sure you're sitting down when you fire it up.

CAG

[CAG]

Originally posted by A64
I should be getting mine in a day or two. Welcome to the board, A64 :)

I DO want to get this panel but there's one consideration I have...it goes something like this: CAG buys panel, wife sees panel, wife buys gun, wife shoots CAG. So, except for the wife and gun part, it would be pretty much of a no-brainer.

Post back with a review, A64.

CAG

[CAG]

Originally posted by JohnS12
I called IBM lastnight and the technician told me my laptop would not be compatible with the 1680x1050 resolution.

I have a 2001FP on order so looks like I will have to stay with that. :( You're going to LOVE the 2001FP...Its as least as good as the 2005FPW and probably better. So, you shouldn't be too upset . Trust me...its going to blow you away.

[sp0000nman]

Originally posted by CAG
Welcome to the forum, sp0000nman :)

Please post back with a review...Compared to your CRT, this panel is going to be a major shock to your system :eek: . So, make sure you're sitting down when you fire it up.

CAG

THANKS CAG!

I use two 17" IMB flatpanels at work and I love them. I come home and look at my 19" CRT and it makes me sick, hehe. I have such a beefy system at home and now I need a nice LCD to go with it.

The 2005FPW should work well with my BFG 6800 GT.

I CAN"T WAIT!

[elmalloc]

At the very least, I hope we can run older games in 4x3 resolution and have black bars....I'm not sure how much I'll enjoy stretching.

-ELmO

[CAG]

The solution would be to have a 2001FP and 2005FPW. At present prices, you could have both for ~$1,300...about the cost of one decent panel from some other mfg.

[Chris G]

Originally posted by CAG
Welcome to the board, A64 :)

I DO want to get this panel but there's one consideration I have...it goes something like this: CAG buys panel, wife sees panel, wife buys gun, wife shoots CAG. So, except for the wife and gun part, it would be pretty much of a no-brainer.

Post back with a review, A64.

CAG

Does your wife know my wife.....where do you live....so when we both get kicked out of our houses we get an apartment together. :)

[CAG]

Originally posted by Chris G
Does your wife know my wife.....where do you live....so when we both get kicked out of our houses we get an apartment together. :) My wife'll shoot me; so, I won't be "living" anywhere...but thanks for the offer :)

[A64]

This is awesome i just got a tracking number for the monitor and its coming today! hopefully..the nice lady at dell gave me Next day shipping when i only paid for 2nd day.

So excited...work sucks..I Hope it comes today and i have no trouble setting it up. Will let you guys know how it goes.

[noREZ]

Thanks for one of the few places to find information about this display. I'm really surprised that there aren't any reviews yet on this thing.

I took a leap of faith and ordered one on Monday. Hopefully it will be here today.

.jason

[CAG]

Originally posted by A64
This is awesome i just got a tracking number for the monitor and its coming today! hopefully..the nice lady at dell gave me Next day shipping when i only paid for 2nd day.

So excited...work sucks..I Hope it comes today and i have no trouble setting it up. Will let you guys know how it goes. I know you're going to say that it's the greatest panel on earth and I'm going to be unable to resist and I'll pull the trigger on one tonight and my wife's going pull the trigger (literally) on me... hit "Submit Order" or don't hit "Submit Order"...Grrrr

[CAG]

Originally posted by noREZ
Thanks for one of the few places to find information about this display. I'm really surprised that there aren't any reviews yet on this thing.

I took a leap of faith and ordered one on Monday. Hopefully it will be here today. Welcome to the forum, Jason :)

This site probably has more info on this panel than you can get from Dell and hopefully we'll get a review up soon. Please give us some feedback on your new toy after you get done playing with it :D

CAG

[sp0000nman]

Originally posted by CAG
I know you're going to say that it's the greatest panel on earth and I'm going to be unable to resist and I'll pull the trigger on one tonight and my wife's going pull the trigger (literally) on me... hit "Submit Order" or don't hit "Submit Order"...Grrrr

DO IT! YES!

[CAG]

Originally posted by sp0000nman
DO IT! YES! Except for the gun and death thing, I really should...the sale ends tonight (I guess the price goes back up to $799) and I have a Dell account (no interest until June '05)...So, I've got ~7 hours now to decide...

[elmalloc]

jIGS, it ends TODAY!?!?! JIGS!!! GOTTA PULL THE TRIGGA.

Sony 19" CRT to Dell 20.1" LCD widescreen, HOW WILL QUAKE 2 LOOK AT 4x3 res?
-ELmO

[hokie.gajan]

I'd been eying the 2001FP for months and finally ordered one last week for $609, shipped with no tax. Then this comes out. Since it's also gonna be a TV for my home office, I like the idea of the widescreen. I also like the increased contrast. I have an AG Neovo E19A and it's got 700:1 contrast and it changed my life from CRTs which I swear are ruining my eyesight.

Anyway, I called up my Dell rep yesterday, cancelled the 2001FP and he got me the 2005FPW for $589, free shipping but I did have to pay $34 in tax, so it's $14 more. My order status tells me that it won't ship for 2 weeks. Hope it's sooner, this Sony 21" CRT at the office is gonna make me blind (and probably sterile).

I'll post a review as soon as it's fired up.

[sp0000nman]

Originally posted by elmalloc
jIGS, it ends TODAY!?!?! JIGS!!! GOTTA PULL THE TRIGGA.

Sony 19" CRT to Dell 20.1" LCD widescreen, HOW WILL QUAKE 2 LOOK AT 4x3 res?
-ELmO

I don't even remeber the last time I played Quake 2. Is there something wrong with Quake 3?

[Silo]

$589!? Wha!? How!? Not fair!

I want a 2005 for $589!

[sp0000nman]

Originally posted by Silo
$589!? Wha!? How!? Not fair!

I want a 2005 for $589!

You can get one for $589 too. I got one for the same price. I believe the deal ends on 11/11/04. It's a 15% off deal thingy. So you better hurry! :)

[Silo]

really!? Is it a coupon code or something?

Cause SB shows $799, and home shows $679.

[elmalloc]

Originally posted by sp0000nman
I don't even remeber the last time I played Quake 2. Is there something wrong with Quake 3?

I can go on and on about what I don't like about quake 3, but let me just tell you that I am not beatable in rocket arena 2 (mod) for quake 2 and I have won a total of $7500 in tournaments in my life time thus far in quake 2 (including heat.net about 5 years ago).

It would be a pity if I can't at least play 4x3 (with black bars), if I have to stretch it - it's a no go for me..

-ELmO

[BigPlayer]

Just ordered the 2005 last night. I called today because I didn't want to wait until Dec. 1 for Delivery!!!

They are trying to get it to me faster...pray for me ;)


§ean

[elmalloc]

dang that' ssome delay...

[sp0000nman]

Originally posted by Silo
really!? Is it a coupon code or something?

Cause SB shows $799, and home shows $679.

I am sorry. I meant I paid $679 just like you see there on home. My mistake. I am retarded.

[Silo]

Doh, you got my hopes up and everything! ;-)

[A64]

Was busy messing with this thing ..its beautiful!

I attached some pics

[Silo]

Oohh! Gaming! Tell us about gaming! How does it look with the odd resolution and all??

[firstadopter]

http://www.firstadopter.com/images/Pic1.JPG

[firstadopter]

A64, awesome pics. I'm jealous.

You must tell us gaming performance, any dead pixels?

[A64]

Thanks Rendition! so far everything is great except for one tiny dot..i dont consider it a dead pixal cause its hardly noticable..well maybe im just a perfectionist therefore i can see it. Hehe..joke aside the screen is beautiful and bright as for gaming Doom 3 runs silky smooth with the 1.1 patch 16:10 ratio.

[sp0000nman]

All I can say is........"Yummy!"

I can't wait to get mine in a few days. It is going to be the longest couple of days ever.

[noREZ]

Nice!

I'm also waiting. It looks like Airborn Express isn't so accurate on their estimated delivery dates. I was waiting all day and it ended up not being delivered. Talk about putting someone in a bad mood. :)

Oh well, maybe tomorrow....

A64, what font size are you using? The standard 'Large fonts' (120dpi)?

.jason

[A64]

Using Windows XP default, 96dpi i believe.

[elmalloc]

Hurry, gotapex.com:
Expires TONIGHT! DellHome - $40 Off $350+ Stackable Coupon! Dell 2005FPW 20.1" Widescreen LCD for $639.15 & 2001FP 20.1" LCD for $599.20!!.

-ELmO

[elmalloc]

I have wasted way too much money on myself, I will not be buying this everyone (at least maybe until after XMAS). Time to start buying Xmas presents for others. Bought dad a 1GB USB Key, now will have to buy sister iPOD and digital camera...

I will live with my 19" Sony CRT for a little while longer.
-ELmO

[hokie.gajan]

Originally posted by Silo
$589!? Wha!? How!? Not fair!

I want a 2005 for $589!

that's what I got through my rep on my SB account. If you'd like, I'll ask him how others can get this deal.

Just checked and it shipped this morning! Going on a trip tomorrow for the weekend. Hope it's here when I get back!

A64, are you running it at the native 1680x1050? I've got an ATI RADEON 9700 Pro and it doesn't have an option for 1680x1050.

[robmarti@tampa]

hey i am new here, found the forum by googling this dell, great site though. i am going to reiterate some questions already asked. 1) doom3 looks great because it handles WS,but what about games that dont, how do they look and at what resolution? 2) my video card does not have in the settings this resolution, how are you running it at its native resolution? thanks

-rob

[Beaumont]

Guys, when I try to order this monitor (the 2005 one) I'm not getting the price of $639, it is giving me a total price of $713 (without tax). Any idea what I'm doing wrong? I put in the code for the $40 off coupon. Any help would be appreciated!!! I really want to get this monitor :)

[elmalloc]

Originally posted by robmarti@tampa
hey i am new here, found the forum by googling this dell, great site though. i am going to reiterate some questions already asked. 1) doom3 looks great because it handles WS,but what about games that dont, how do they look and at what resolution? 2) my video card does not have in the settings this resolution, how are you running it at its native resolution? thanks

-rob

You can use pwoerstrip to add the resolution, i'm sure the radeon 9700 supports it.

I agree on #1, I want to know the answer to that, even thougH I won't be buying it right now.

[CAG]

First, I want to welcome to hokie.gajan, Big Player, robmarti@tampa, and Beaumont to the forum :D

Second, although the price of the 2005FPW went up to $719.10 today at Dell Home, you can apply coupon code: BPDHZ0CHM?ZBLZ for $40 off and it gets you back down to $679.10 (coupon expires tonight).

Third, I haven't pulled the trigger yet...you can ask Rendition how many times I came to the plate on the 2001FP before I hit the "Confirm Order" button (I think it was 3)...but Dell keeps pumping out the sales and coupons so there's hope yet.

Lastly, for Big Player (who asked for this specifically) and for all of you who have or will order this panel:

Please God, NO DEAD PIXELS!
Please God, NO DEAD PIXELS!
Please God, NO DEAD PIXELS!
Please God, NO DEAD PIXELS!
Please God, NO DEAD PIXELS!

Best dead pixel warranty going ;)

CAG

[CAG]

Originally posted by elmalloc
Hurry, gotapex.com:
Expires TONIGHT! DellHome - $40 Off $350+ Stackable Coupon! Dell 2005FPW 20.1" Widescreen LCD for $639.15 & 2001FP 20.1" LCD for $599.20!!.

-ELmO gotapex.com had that up earlier this morning but changed it a little later to $679.10 w/coupon...must have been a typo.

[bonedaddy77]

Thanks for the info about the $589 deal from Small Business. I just placed the order for a total of $631 which included tax in FL. Now I can't wait to hook this to my new Dell XPS Gen3.

[BigPlayer]

first, thanks CAG for the prayer..I feel much better..

I have a personal Dell rep trying to get it to me faster. My company buys 2-3 dell systems per month..

I need this thing badly!!!


§ean

[sp0000nman]

Originally posted by bonedaddy77
Thanks for the info about the $589 deal from Small Business. I just placed the order for a total of $631 which included tax in FL. Now I can't wait to hook this to my new Dell XPS Gen3.

Linky??? It says $799 for small bussiness for me.

[JohnS12]

Would PowerStrip 3.54 allow me to use the 2005FPW with a laptop that does not currently support 1680x1050?
http://entechtaiwan.net/util/ps.shtm

What would you see on a 2005FPW if you connect it to a display adapter running 1280x1024 or 1600x1200?

Would a 1280x1024 signal display currently with black bars on the side?

Would a1600x1200 signal display full width but with the top or bottom cropped?

[noREZ]

Mine was delivered today. All I can say is that it's a beautiful display. It's almost too darn bright. :)

Both my win2k & OSX systems booted into their previous 1280x1024 resolutions which were stretched but both gave the option for 1680x1050. Normal 96dpi font size on win2k is completely readable which is a big relief. I've had nothing but grief on my previous display trying to get the font size adjusted to be readable at higher resolutions.

Only 1 dead pixel that I can see and it's stuck on green. I had to search for it and I don't notice it during normal use.

UT2k4 is amazing in widescreen :) (it also automatically gave the option). So far so good......

.jason

[firstadopter]

Jason what kind of video card do you have?

[CAG]

Originally posted by bonedaddy77
Thanks for the info about the $589 deal from Small Business. I just placed the order for a total of $631 which included tax in FL. Now I can't wait to hook this to my new Dell XPS Gen3. Welcome to the board, bonedaddy :)

I'm have a Dell SB account and, like some others, all I can come up with is the $799 linkage...so, PLEASE, tell us where you go for the $589 deal :D

CAG

[noREZ]

Originally posted by Rendition
Jason what kind of video card do you have?

Win2k - nVidia Quadro FX3000
OSX - nVidia GeForce4 MX

The only ATI card I have is an old AIW 7500 Radeon. I'll plug that machine in and see how it handles the resolution.

.jason

[A64]

hokie.gajan, yes im running native resolution with a Radeon X800 your 9700 shouldnt be a problem cause my old 9800 runs 1680x1050 no problem.

[A64]

Well finally the whole night of using and i have one tiny dead pixal that only shows up in white/green background so i would say its a near perfect monitor. I'm gonna use this thing a whole lot for the upcoming week and see if anymore develops if so im calling in for a replacement!

Enjoy everyone that order this LCD its a beauty!

CAG did you order yet?

[TheAngryIntern]

how did you go about getting a SB account with Dell, CAG?

[bonedaddy77]

There is no link for the $589...it can't be ordered on the website. You have to call in and speak to a CSR to place the order. I already had a Small Business account so I didn't have any problems.

I think you can set one up online and use your name as the business if you don't really have one. That's something a lot of people have done on FatWallet.

[CAG]

TheAngryIntern,

With regard to setting up a SB account, bonedaddy's correct. I set mine up thru my law firm but I probably could have used any name.

BTW bonedaddy, thanks for the CSR tip :)

CAG

[TheAngryIntern]

I wonder if I could use the US Navy as a small business account??? lol, probably not!!!

[BigPlayer]

They Shipped it today!!!


Thanks Dell..you are number 1 in my book


§ean

[CAG]

Originally posted by TheAngryIntern
I wonder if I could use the US Navy as a small business account??? lol, probably not!!! Seriously, you could probably use "TheAngryIntern, Inc."

[elmalloc]

How do games that don't support widescreen, look on the monitor? Are we able to play them in 4x3 or do they get stretched?

-ELmO

[firstadopter]

This board is amazing, we have 15% of the traffic of 2001FP board in just a few days, 2001FP has been around for almost a year. :)

Please participate in the other forums here. We would love to establish the best community of smart people on the net.

[noREZ]

Originally posted by elmalloc
How do games that don't support widescreen, look on the monitor? Are we able to play them in 4x3 or do they get stretched?

-ELmO

The nVidia drivers give the option of scaling or centering the output when it's lower than the display's max res.

I fired up Doom3 in a 4:3 aspect and tried it. It didn't look too bad when it was scaled but it was much nicer when it just displayed it in the 4:3 with black on the sides.

.jason

[sp0000nman]

Mine is going to be here tomorrow. WOOHOO! Let's hope for NO DEAD PIXELS!

NO DEAD PIXELS!
NO DEAD PIXELS!
NO DEAD PIXELS!
NO DEAD PIXELS!

This thing is going to be kickass!

[elmalloc]

Originally posted by noREZ
The nVidia drivers give the option of scaling or centering the output when it's lower than the display's max res.

I fired up Doom3 in a 4:3 aspect and tried it. It didn't look too bad when it was scaled but it was much nicer when it just displayed it in the 4:3 with black on the sides.

.jason

Thanks, so you say 4:3 can be done with black bars? Cool, what size montor does it beome then thoug, psosibly 17"?

So you also say it will scale if we don't run it at 1600x1050? That's the display's native res...what about other lower widescreen resolutions? How do those look during gaming?

Thanks,
-ELmO

[noREZ]

Originally posted by elmalloc
Thanks, so you say 4:3 can be done with black bars? Cool, what size montor does it beome then thoug, psosibly 17"?


Yes, the nVidia drivers let me choose how to handle resolutions lower than the LCD's max display. Here are the 4 options that I'm given if the view is smaller than 1680x1050

1. Display Adapter Scaling

The graphics card will do the scaling to fit the full display.

2. Centered Output

No scaling, it just surrounds the view with black. result = not streched but doesn't take advantage of the full display area.

3. Monitor Scaling

The monitor does the scaling to fit the full display.

4. Fixed aspect ratio scaling

The card scales the view up to the max size that will fit within the display while keeping aspect. ie a 4:3 that's smaller than 1680x1050 will scale up so that there's no black on the top and bottom but there will be on the sides. result = scaled and black bars on both sides. This actually wasn't too bad in UT2004 when I tested at 1280x1024.


So you also say it will scale if we don't run it at 1600x1050? That's the display's native res...what about other lower widescreen resolutions? How do those look during gaming?

Thanks,
-ELmO

It really depends on which display setting is chosen from above.

Hope this helps.

.jason

[firstadopter]

Thanks everyone for their Dell 2005FPW review . Everyone please post your thoughts when you get your monitor.

[FatsoElvis]

2005FPW

How is the ghosting?
Is it better or worse than the 2001FP?

How does the ghosting compare to the Samsung 710T, or other 12ms monitors?

Can Doom 3 be played at the native resolution of 1680x1050?
How is the ghosting for Doom 3?


Does it have the same screen door effect as the 2001FP?

Does it have the same grainy look at the 2001FP?

[firstadopter]

Offer Valid: Limited time offer beginning 11/11/04 3:00pm CST.

ONLINE ONLY: Save 15% on the purchase of select Dell FP Monitors (Dell 2005FPW, 1703FP,1504FP,E153FP only) purchased online from the Electronics and Accessories site. May not be combinable with select other promotions. This offer is not available with Electronics & Accessories items purchased with a system. Offer subject to change. View details in My Cart.

Enter coupon code at checkout to receive this offer.
Coupon Code: 4L479R3L1?$Q44

Expires 11/15/2004 11:59pm CST

[CAG]

Thanks for the heads-up, Rendition...When I tried it, it took 15% off the $799 price = $697.15 (offer details says its an "affiliate only" online offer, whatever that means).

[firstadopter]

FirstAdopter.com gets a tiny commission off those Dell coupon codes, so that is what the affiliate thing means.

[bshort]

This code: GCBMDDS79ZD?F8 got me another 45$ off.

[bshort]

That is, my final price was $634.15.

[mrscintilla]

Originally posted by bshort
That is, my final price was $634.15.
Friends, romans, and countrymen, don't play into Dell's little marketing game, adjusting prices up and down and throwing rebates to hide the inevitable price-drop that is happening now on these LCDs. Don't get that feeling like you have scored huge savings with a $45 coupons and lose sight that the LCDs are coming down in price quickly especially around Thanksgiving and before Christmas. Unless it's a substantial percentage off, don't congradulate yourself because you saved $30 bucks than yesterday. Sorry for the rant, but I saw too many people got so worked up about little coupons here and there and think Dell is doing us a favor by selling this 20" LCD at 600+ and 17" much less than $300.

[elmalloc]

I agree, friend.

[CAG]

Originally posted by bshort
This code: GCBMDDS79ZD?F8 got me another 45$ off. Welcome to the forum, bshort :)

I applied the 2nd coupon and came up with same price you did. BTW, did you order the monitor?

CAG

[Beaumont]

Thanks for the invite guys :)

Just ordered my 2005 monitor today. I can't wait to get it in. I have the 2001 and have been happy with it so far. I'm a big gamer, but play MMO's (Everquest 1 and EQ2). I usually 2 or 3 box, so this will help with saving space on my desktop.

Has anyone tried the new 2005 with EQ1 or EQ2? If not, when I get in the 2005, will try it out and post a reply.

Also, I check this site every morning (lord help my credit card) http://www.slickdeals.net/ and is how I found out about the monitor being back down to $639 ($665 with tax for me).

[CAG]

Originally posted by mrscintilla
Friends, romans, and countrymen, don't play into Dell's little marketing game, adjusting prices up and down and throwing rebates to hide the inevitable price-drop that is happening now on these LCDs. Don't get that feeling like you have scored huge savings with a $45 coupons and lose sight that the LCDs are coming down in price quickly especially around Thanksgiving and before Christmas. Unless it's a substantial percentage off, don't congradulate yourself because you saved $30 bucks than yesterday. Sorry for the rant, but I saw too many people got so worked up about little coupons here and there and think Dell is doing us a favor by selling this 20" LCD at 600+ and 17" much less than $300. Welcome to the board, mrscintilla :)

I agree with you that prices will come down...the question is always when and how much. Today's $634.15 deal for the 2005FPW equates to a discount of ~21% which isn't bad considering the panel just came out and demand will likely remain high. Dell would have to drop it another $100 or so to get this down into 30-35% discount range. But as you said, the holidays are coming up and Dell pulls off some amazing sales at times.

CAG

[CAG]

Originally posted by Beaumont
Just ordered my 2005 monitor today. I can't wait to get it in. I have the 2001 and have been happy with it so far. Congrats on your purchase. It would be really great if you could post some side-by-side pics of the 2005 and 2001...it would certainly be a great help to guys that have the 2001 and are "on the fence" about the 2005 (like me).

Thanks,

CAG

[Beaumont]

Will do when I get it in. Says it is supposed to ship Nov. 18th. Might have to call them up and see if I can get them to ship it earlier :p

[bshort]

Originally posted by CAG
Welcome to the forum, bshort :)

I applied the 2nd coupon and came up with same price you did. BTW, did you order the monitor?

CAG

Yep, I did indeed.

I had decided on the Samsung 20" previously at $900, so getting something that is comparable or superior for nearly $300 less is fantastic.

I'll add to the chorus of reviews once I get the monitor.

Thanks,
-B

[hokie.gajan]

Mine came in today! Had to take a trip into the office to go get it and hook it up. Other than them not including a power cabe (but it's the standard computer power cable, so I have a million of those hanging around), I love it! Bright as can be, contrast is killer, my adapter had the correct resolution option. It's gorgeous. Don't have time to play any games, sorry.

Oh, and there's only 1 dead pixel that I see and it's way down int eh lower left corner, co no biggie.

[elmalloc]

u play games on it this isntant stop working tell the boss elmalloc told you, or else bad things will hapepn...i am the devil son, if not that at least im the bad guy from lord of the rings

[Ebby]

I've been debating along with the rest of us here between the fp2001 and fp2005. I found some interesting info in my quest to see if the fp2005 would run games in its native resolution.

Gamers check out these forums. If the game doesn't support it you can configure it to.

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/

So as far as I can tell we would have to run Windows in the stretch mode in order to utilize the full screen - correct?


Ebby

[Silo]

Beaumont,

I too am an EQ2 player. That's been the main thing keeping me from ordering the 2005FP: Game compatibility, specifically EQ2.

I made a post on eq2player.com and got a few replies from widescreen players. It supports the widescreen resolutions according to those people, and works beautifully. Though none of them specifically said it was 1680, they specified other widescreen resolutions that they played at. That would lead me to believe it would work fine on the 2005FP.

Now it's pretty much just a question of whether or not I want to sacrifice those few square inches of real estate. And if so, should I order now or wait for the post-Thanksgiving sales time.

*sigh* Decisions, decisions.

[CAG]

Welcome to the forum, Ebby :)

Many thanks for the link. You might also want to read davebytes' posts on pages 3 & 4 of this thread. As understand it, most game engines (at least the newer ones) should support widescreen and those that don't will be patching soon to support it. Anyway, if you decide to go with the 2001FP, you will not be disappointed.

CAG

[sp0000nman]

Originally posted by Ebby
I've been debating along with the rest of us here between the fp2001 and fp2005. I found some interesting info in my quest to see if the fp2005 would run games in its native resolution.

Gamers check out these forums. If the game doesn't support it you can configure it to.

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/

So as far as I can tell we would have to run Windows in the stretch mode in order to utilize the full screen - correct?


Ebby

No, once you install the drivers for the monitor and reboot, the 1680x1050 resolution will be an option in display settings-->properties.

I just got mine today and it looks beautiful. I see NO DEAD PIXELS either. The monitor is detached from the stand and it just snaps right on into place. I am glad I went with 2005FPW instead. I am loving widescreen.

I will give a little review as soon as I play with it for a bit. I am going to play some Need For Speed Underground 2 on it to see how it looks.

[JohnS12]

So when is the 2005 a better choice then the 2001?

Let me see if I have this correct. Choosing the 2005 over the 2001 will give me 80 more horizontal pixels but 150 less vertical pixels. Is that a good trade off?

I was thinking the widescreen would be obviously better but now I am not so sure that is true in all cases. I mainly use business applications that benefit as much from vertical space as they do from horizontal space. It seems to me the 2005 might actually be a compromise for these types of applications.

If you are going to be watching widescreen movies or games the widescreen seems to make more sense.

The widescreen seems to make sense in laptops also. In that situation you are gaining screen real estate by making the laptop a little longer but without making it any wider. This really isn't a factor for desktop displays since most of us have plenty of room above and to the sides of our desktop displays.

What do you guys think?

[JohnS12]

Originally posted by sp0000nman
No, once you install the drivers for the monitor and reboot, the 1680x1050 resolution will be an option in display settings-->properties.



Are you saying that the 2005 comes with a disk containing drivers. I was concerned that my 3.5 year old laptop that currently does not have a 1680x1050 option would not work with the 2005. Does the 2005 come with software drivers that will add an option for 1680x1050. If so do they work on all video cards?

[elmalloc]

jus tuse powerstrip if it doesn't add it...

[sp0000nman]

Originally posted by JohnS12
Are you saying that the 2005 comes with a disk containing drivers. I was concerned that my 3.5 year old laptop that currently does not have a 1680x1050 option would not work with the 2005. Does the 2005 come with software drivers that will add an option for 1680x1050. If so do they work on all video cards?

Yes, It comes with a cd with the drivers on it. Even if it didn't come with a cd you can easily get the drivers off of Dell's website I am sure.

What video card do you have?

[Stainless]

I've decided to have Dell send me another display due to some lighting and pixel issues and I have to make the call this weekend. I currently have the 2001FP. IMO, the reduced real estate & resolution of the 2005 are huge negatives. Because of this, I'm leaning towards requesting another 2001FP.

Can anyone explain the 12ms response time of grey to grey, or whatever the 12ms response time actually means? In Dell's monitor comparison, they list the typical response time of the 2005 as 16ms and not 12ms.

[Wombat]

Howdy! I'm not from around here, but I just wanted to let you all know I found this thread incredibly useful when trying to decide between the 2001 and 2005.

I was in the process of buying a Dell 8400 with Windows Media Center 2005 and couldn't decide between the two 20-inchers. You guys helped me decide. Although my usage should probably dictate the 2001, I couldn't resist the 2005 increased brightness. Figured it would be better for across the room viewing.

The best part? When configuring my 8400, the upgrade to the 2005 was $492, the downgrade to No Monitor was $43. (Granted, these prices already reflected a 15% discount.) That means the price of buying the 2005 with a system (without a discount) is $629. I found a coupon for 30% off (replaced the 15% on the dell website) - so I got the monitor for $440!

All told, I grabbed a Dimension 8400 3.2 Ghz, 1Gb 533Mhz RAM, 160Gb x 2 SATA RAID 1 HDD, Radeon X800SE (not a huge gamer), TV tuner hardware encoder card, Audigy 2 ZS, DVD+/- Dual Layer burner, and 2005FPW for $1702!

Thanks again for the good info here!

[Softlander]

I agree.. Using widescreen on notebook is better. However, for this 2001FP vs 2005FPW, it may not. As you said, it's less than 1 inche wider but a little more short in height. It's just like they made the screen shorter to make you feel the screen is wider. But actually it's not much different.

If I got a 23" in the future, I think it would be a better choice for widescreen. But for 20" 4:3 (2001FP) is pretty good!

Originally posted by JohnS12
So when is the 2005 a better choice then the 2001?

Let me see if I have this correct. Choosing the 2005 over the 2001 will give me 80 more horizontal pixels but 150 less vertical pixels. Is that a good trade off?

I was thinking the widescreen would be obviously better but now I am not so sure that is true in all cases. I mainly use business applications that benefit as much from vertical space as they do from horizontal space. It seems to me the 2005 might actually be a compromise for these types of applications.

If you are going to be watching widescreen movies or games the widescreen seems to make more sense.

The widescreen seems to make sense in laptops also. In that situation you are gaining screen real estate by making the laptop a little longer but without making it any wider. This really isn't a factor for desktop displays since most of us have plenty of room above and to the sides of our desktop displays.

What do you guys think?

[CAG]

Originally posted by Wombat
Howdy! I'm not from around here, but I just wanted to let you all know I found this thread incredibly useful when trying to decide between the 2001 and 2005.

I was in the process of buying a Dell 8400 with Windows Media Center 2005 and couldn't decide between the two 20-inchers. You guys helped me decide. Although my usage should probably dictate the 2001, I couldn't resist the 2005 increased brightness. Figured it would be better for across the room viewing.

The best part? When configuring my 8400, the upgrade to the 2005 was $492, the downgrade to No Monitor was $43. (Granted, these prices already reflected a 15% discount.) That means the price of buying the 2005 with a system (without a discount) is $629. I found a coupon for 30% off (replaced the 15% on the dell website) - so I got the monitor for $440!

All told, I grabbed a Dimension 8400 3.2 Ghz, 1Gb 533Mhz RAM, 160Gb x 2 SATA RAID 1 HDD, Radeon X800SE (not a huge gamer), TV tuner hardware encoder card, Audigy 2 ZS, DVD+/- Dual Layer burner, and 2005FPW for $1702!

Thanks again for the good info here! Welcome to the board, Wombat :), and congrats on your purchase. Dell is truely amazing...you can configure a rig at Alienware, VoodooPc, FalconNW, VelocityMicro, Hypersonic, or GamePC and pay twice as much or more but get only marginal real world gains in performance over your 8400. Give us a review when you get it.

CAG

[CAG]

Originally posted by Softlander
If I got a 23" in the future, I think it would be a better choice for widescreen. But for 20" 4:3 (2001FP) is pretty good! I think you pretty much hit it on the head. The problem with comparing the 2001 and the 2005 re what you may lose/gain on the top/bottom/sides is that whereas the 2001 is a fairly big full-screen panel, the 2005 is not a fairly big wide-screen panel...but to get to a "fairly big" wide-screen panel (like 23') with the same specs/quality of the 2005, you're going to be paying twice as much or more. Like so many other of life's choices, there are going to be some trade-offs.

CAG

[MLong]

Can someone who has received their 2005fp confirm that the monitor does (or does not) come w/ a DVI cable?

I saw that someone said they were shorted on the power cable (which I don't mind) but the DVI cable ... included? not?

My 2000fp came with every cable under the sun, but that was back in the day

Thanks!

[noREZ]

Originally posted by MLong
Can someone who has received their 2005fp confirm that the monitor does (or does not) come w/ a DVI cable?

I saw that someone said they were shorted on the power cable (which I don't mind) but the DVI cable ... included? not?

My 2000fp came with every cable under the sun, but that was back in the day

Thanks!

Mine included the following cables: DVI, RGB, Power & USB.

.jason

[MLong]

Thanks for the quick reply!

[CAG]

Welcome to the forum, MLong :) Did you order the 2005?

CAG

[MLong]

Yep. Broke down last night and did it. Sure enough another $30 off coupon was posted this morning *after* my order. I'm debating about calling a CSR to haggle for the credit.

Now I have to be patient and wait for shipping.

[sp0000nman]

Originally posted by MLong
Yep. Broke down last night and did it. Sure enough another $30 off coupon was posted this morning *after* my order. I'm debating about calling a CSR to haggle for the credit.

Now I have to be patient and wait for shipping.

What is CSR? and.....Do they usually give you credit back on stuff like that? How does the whole process work? Can someone explain all this to me.

I just got my 2005FPW last Friday. Would they credit me back at at all? How far do they go back for sales and coupons that come out after a person orders?

Thanks in advance.

[CAG]

Originally posted by sp0000nman
What is CSR? Customer Service Rep...call Dell Customer Service, talk to (haggle with) one of the reps, and see if they'll give you credit (money back/credit against a future purchase) for a coupon you may have missed or some sale they started right after you ordered. They're not required to do it and there's no set policy, etc., but sometimes they'll do it...depends on the circumstances and who you talk to.

[TechBlaster]

A buddy of mine bought a Dell system. Paid about $1600. About a few days after he received the system his company came out with a deal for its employees. Pre-configured systems for a special 'corporate' price. One of the pre-configured systems matched his pretty much exactly & was listed for about $400 less than he paid. He called Dell. The CSR wouldn't refund the whole $400 but did give him back $200. He was told his other option was to return the whole system (at his expense) & then order the corporate deal. Dell is pretty good (a lot better than some vendors) & will work with you on price issues but they won't give the farm away after they have your money.

P.S..: I ordered a 2005fpw last week. $649 after coupon. It shipped Friday & just arrived about 15 minutes ago. Looks really nice. Bigger looking than I expected. Will hook it up & post results in a little while (after dinner :)). Packed really well, much better than my 19" Planar was. Came with all accessories (power cable, DVI & Analog Cables, Driver Disk, USB cable & a clear plastic shield over the panel for (minor amount) of protection.

[Silo]

Originally posted by TechBlaster
The CSR wouldn't refund the whole $400 but did give him back $200. He was told his other option was to return the whole system (at his expense) & then order the corporate deal. Dell is pretty good (a lot better than some vendors) & will work with you on price issues but they won't give the farm away after they have your money.

They tried to pull that crap on me. They wanted me to pay to ship it back. That's when I played THE card. That's right. THE satisfaction card. I said "Dell guarantees 100% satisfaction with the customers, no questions asked. I'm not fully 100% satisfied. I don't think I should have to pay for it." I think she just didn't want to deal with me, so she said ok and told me they'd pay to ship it. mwa ha ha.

[CAG]

Welcome to the board, TechBlaster :), and congrats on your purchase. BTW, dinner should be about over...just kidding...take an hour to digest your food...then post the review :D

CAG

[TechBlaster]

Originally posted by CAG
BTW, dinner should be about over...just kidding...take an hour to digest your food...then post the review :D
CAG

Thanks for the welcome. This thread (& Rendition's pictures)helped me make up my mind to take the plunge & buy this monitor. Sorry I didn't post the following earlier tonight. It took a while to sober u... oops, meant 'Digest' that liquid dinner (just kidding) :).

Setup was easy. Basically just plug in & reset the resolution. My vid-card (6800GT) had 1680 x 1050 available after boot so nothing from the Dell driver disk was needed. Monitor is really bright, even compared to my older Planar 19". Whites seem almost blinding & may take a little while getting used to. Colors are definatly more vibrent than my Planar LCD's.

I ran Nokia's monitor test & cycled thru the color screens. No dead pixels or sub-pixels that I can find. Zero, ... really :). Looks perfect so far but will keep an eye on it for a few days in case any develop. Text is very sharp. I was worried that my old (later 40's) eye's would have problems at the higher resolution of this display compared to the 1280 x 1024 my planar runs at but so far no problems reading anything. Viewable display area measures 1" shorter than the Planar but 2" wider. Really looks 'widescreen'. This screen really isn't too small for a home desktop. Bigger (23") would be nicer, but not for an extra $1K on top of Dell's price. One nice thing is I can run a TV window next to the browser while surfing. Couldn't really do that with my old screen without overlap.

I get a little backlight bleed thru on the corners, only noticable with a black screen. No more than I saw with my Planar so again, not at all objectionable.

Took a few pictures & was going to post, but they're essentially the same as what Rendition put up so I couldn't see the point in wasting bandwidth.

Adjustment (vertical & tilt) is smooth & easy. The base is spring loaded so you just give a little pull & the screen raises easilly. Holds position wherever you stop. I also really like that you can swivel the display 90", giving you a really tall (but narrow) screen. Really long webpage viewing made easy :). Real easy to get to the I/O connectors. Just swivel the display & the connectors are exposed.

Two USB connectors on the lower right side. Two more (& the hub input) on the bottom. Bottom also has analog & DVI inputs, S-Video & composite inputs

All in all, very nice & is really worth the $649 it cost. I'm going to play with it for a couple of days (maybe try hooking up my 19" Planar as a 2nd screen) before coming to a final judgement but so far am not dissapointed at all. Between this and the 2001 I think this was the right choice. The 2001 wasn't that different dimensionally from my 19" Planar.

For games all I've tried was Condition Zero Deleted Scenes (I've been playing on Steam while waiting for them to unlock Half-Life 2). Had widescreen support built-in. Just had to change the resolution to 1680 x 1050 in the options menu. Again, looks really nice. Can't wait for HL2 with the new engine. Will probably try running some DVD's later to see how they look.

Sorry for the long post. Hope the info was usefull.

[TheAngryIntern]

damn, i want a 2005fpw now.....anyone want to buy a nice 2001fp?????

[Sledge]

This is a good discussion, but I have some extra considerations that I'd like to hear some opinions on before I make a purchase. I'm looking at getting a multi-monitor setup put together with 3 or more displays. Think something like this:

<center>https://store.ergotron.com/images/33-5mon_gen.jpg</center>

I'm leaning towards the 2001FP, but with multiple displays, is there any special argument in favor of the wide screen? Also, does anyone know how hard it is to get an extra discount out of Dell on a quantity order?

[noREZ]

EDIT: Nevermind, I found the info I was looking for in the user guides on Dell's site.


.jason

[elmalloc]

techblsater,

what's yoru video card/cpu, and how was counterstrike running at that high resolution (ie avg FPS)?

-ELmO

[GopGuyCA]

I been following this thread the last few days...

I just ordered a Dell XPS last week and have been running around all over the web looking at information regarding my system along with everything I got with it.

I got the 2005 simply because it was the newer model and newer usually means better.... Well, in my experiance it usally means worse but technology-wise, its my belief that newer means better. So I got the 2005 and was following this thread to remove any possible regret.

I should have my PC by this Friday and will be able to post information on it as well.

I bought this new PC solely to play EQ2. So the first thing I'm going to do when I get my PC is install EQ2 and play it, lol. I'll be able to post all my experiances.

[elmalloc]

I'm sure EQ2 supports it. BTW how much does EQ2 cost per month and what are the specs of your PC?

Half life 2 comes otu today,
ELmO

[TechBlaster]

Originally posted by elmalloc
techblsater,

what's yoru video card/cpu, and how was counterstrike running at that high resolution (ie avg FPS)?

-ELmO

AMD64 - 3500+ & EVGA 6800GT. All stock speeds. I don't have a FPS # but everything was running smooth with absolutely no chop during the fights.

I checked this morning and HL2 was enabled. It also had native 16 x 10 widescreen mode with 1680 x 1050 available on menu. I was able to select this resolution but didn't have time to try it out. Had to leave for work.

[Stainless]

For those who have had both the 2001 & 2005, is the 2005 noticeably smaller?

[elmalloc]

of ocurse it was smooth look at your video card CPU combo ....argh.

The normal person is like my config, 2 ghz with radeon 9700....not sure how 1600x1050 will go on my machine. Looks like I will have to upgrade if I want to stay above 60 FPS.

-ELmO

[CAG]

TechBlaster,

Many thanks for the great review!! :D I agree with TheAngryIntern...I NEED this monitor...but I'll have to wait for the next Dell deal (or Santa...I still believe :) ) BTW, if it would not be too much trouble, please post the pics.

Thanks,

CAG

[CAG]

Originally posted by Sledge
This is a good discussion, but I have some extra considerations that I'd like to hear some opinions on before I make a purchase. I'm looking at getting a multi-monitor setup put together with 3 or more displays. Think something like this:

<center>https://store.ergotron.com/images/33-5mon_gen.jpg</center>

I'm leaning towards the 2001FP, but with multiple displays, is there any special argument in favor of the wide screen? Also, does anyone know how hard it is to get an extra discount out of Dell on a quantity order? Welcome to the board, Sledge :)

You're probably looking for something like this (http://digitaltigers.com/index.shtml) using the 2005FPW or the 2001FP or a combination of both (maybe 2-3 widescreens on the bottom and 2 full-screens on top). With the proper software and video card (to sort out things like resolution and aspect differences), stands, side-arms, etc., which you can find on sites like this (http://www.multiplemonitors.org/index.html), it looks like you could do it with the Dell panels. But, I would suggest that you call Dell directly...their phone numbers are here (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/contact/contact?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=gen&~ck=lf)...it would probably be best to speak to someone in small or medium business (you're definitely going to need to talk to someone who understands this...not just your normal rep) and you can ask them about volume discounts, etc.

Let us know how it works out for you.

CAG

[CAG]

Originally posted by GopGuyCA
I been following this thread the last few days...

I just ordered a Dell XPS last week and have been running around all over the web looking at information regarding my system along with everything I got with it.

I got the 2005 simply because it was the newer model and newer usually means better.... Well, in my experiance it usally means worse but technology-wise, its my belief that newer means better. So I got the 2005 and was following this thread to remove any possible regret.

I should have my PC by this Friday and will be able to post information on it as well.

I bought this new PC solely to play EQ2. So the first thing I'm going to do when I get my PC is install EQ2 and play it, lol. I'll be able to post all my experiances. Welcome to the forum, GopGuyCA :)

From the posts I've read so far, you should have no regrets with the 2005FPW. BTW, I read your post in the XPS Gen4 thread and Stainless is right...there's no real performance difference b/t the 3 and 4...certainly none that justifies the difference in price.

CAG

[firstadopter]

Lucky for you guys, Half Life 2 has widescreen support.

Come and join us and discuss the BEST GAME EVAR:

http://www.firstadopter.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=335

[TechBlaster]

Originally posted by CAG
TechBlaster,

BTW, if it would not be too much trouble, please post the pics.

Thanks,

CAG

I'll post some pics but it'll have to wait till later tonight after I get home (assuming I don't get distracted playing HL2 / Widescreen for hours on end :)).

[sp0000nman]

Originally posted by TechBlaster
I'll post some pics but it'll have to wait till later tonight after I get home (assuming I don't get distracted playing HL2 / Widescreen for hours on end :)).

I will post pics too if you would like but I might get distracted with the same thing.

Can I post pics directly on here or do I have to link em? I don't know the rules to these forums. Thanks!

[CAG]

Thanks, sp0000nman and TechBlaster.

When you hit "Post Reply", there's an "Attach file" block and "browse" window below the reply text window to upload files from your computer...max size is 1/2 mb...Can't wait to see the pics.

CAG

[firstadopter]

You can post them however way you want. :) Post them here and on the Half-life 2 forum. http://www.firstadopter.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=335

There is a size limit if you upload to the message board, so the best way is to host it somewhere else for big files and use the "" "" commands.

[CAG]

Originally posted by Stainless
For those who have had both the 2001 & 2005, is the 2005 noticeably smaller? Beaumont said he'd post some side-by-side pics when his 2005FPW arrived.

[Silo]

Woohoo GopGuy! Another EQ2er. Let me know how it runs. I've asked around, and I hear that EQ2 supports wide screen resolutions no problem.

on a side no, it's an incredible game. You'll enjoy it.

Let me know how the wide screen resolution goes. Is it handy to have more horizontal real estate for various UI windows and such?

EQ2 is the biggest factor in me choosing the 2005 or 2001 (as it will take up the majority of my computer use for quite some time, heh)

[elmalloc]

PS to all, just bought half life 2 collector's edition over my lunch break ($80 sitting in my cube).

-ELmO

[sp0000nman]

Originally posted by elmalloc
PS to all, just bought half life 2 collector's edition over my lunch break ($80 sitting in my cube).

-ELmO

I just downloaded and installed the silver package on my system at home remotely. The Steam install works great. I can't wait to play this in 1680x1050 on my 2005FPW. WOOHOO!

[GopGuyCA]

Originally posted by Silo
Woohoo GopGuy! Another EQ2er. Let me know how it runs. I've asked around, and I hear that EQ2 supports wide screen resolutions no problem.

on a side no, it's an incredible game. You'll enjoy it.

Let me know how the wide screen resolution goes. Is it handy to have more horizontal real estate for various UI windows and such?

EQ2 is the biggest factor in me choosing the 2005 or 2001 (as it will take up the majority of my computer use for quite some time, heh)

LOL, me too.

At least until WoW comes out.

I hope one of them sucks terribly or it will be hard for me to decide which to play at what time. Also, it runs into alot of money.

I can't wait to play EQ2. I would send my XPS back when I get it for the new one but I don't want to wait an extra few weeks to finally play EQ2.

[sp0000nman]

Here is one pic - I will post more soon.

[firstadopter]

Sweet pic. I love the router in mid-air on top of snoopy. lol

[sp0000nman]

Originally posted by Rendition
Sweet pic. I love the router in mid-air on top of snoopy. lol

I had my router on top of my old Samsung CRT but with this new LCD I can't set it on top. I need a longer ethernet cable. :)

[CAG]

Originally posted by sp0000nman
Here is one pic - I will post more soon. Thanks for the pic...turn the bottle around next time so we know what brand of beer you like :) BTW, nice rig.

[onepoint]

first off i'm new here, and was (like so many others) brought by the 2005 info.

wonderful info so far guys, thanks and please keep the reviews / impressions coming!

a request that i have.. i'm interested in how the s-video and composite inputs work out.

i'm looking to purchase this monitor whenever the next deal or price drop comes out (not spending over $650-675 to my door, i may have to wait awhile!), and am looking to use it for a few things. i'll be going back to school in august, and i'm trying to find something i can also use to watch DVD's or hook up a digital cable box to (via s-video, most likely). i understand i'll have to use an external source for audio in this case, which i'm not worried about.

has anyone hooked this thing up to an external dvd player, cable box, or anything of the sort? if so, how did it look? easy to change inputs from computer to dvd/tv?

again thanks a lot, i'll be following this thread closely!

-pete

[sp0000nman]

Originally posted by CAG
Thanks for the pic...turn the bottle around next time so we know what brand of beer you like :) BTW, nice rig.

I was drinking Coors Light. Love it or hate it. LOL

[sp0000nman]

Originally posted by onepoint
a request that i have.. i'm interested in how the s-video and composite inputs work out.

i'm looking to purchase this monitor whenever the next deal or price drop comes out (not spending over $650-675 to my door, i may have to wait awhile!), and am looking to use it for a few things. i'll be going back to school in august, and i'm trying to find something i can also use to watch DVD's or hook up a digital cable box to (via s-video, most likely). i understand i'll have to use an external source for audio in this case, which i'm not worried about.

has anyone hooked this thing up to an external dvd player, cable box, or anything of the sort? if so, how did it look? easy to change inputs from computer to dvd/tv?

again thanks a lot, i'll be following this thread closely!

-pete

I hooked up my modded xbox with composite because I wanted to see how it looked. For composite it didn't look half bad. It would look so much better with s-video but I don't have the advanced A/V pack to hook it up with that. I only have the HD pack which doesn't have s-video. It only has component.

For sound I used the Xbox’s RCA red/white and hooked up a "Y" cable. It was a "Y" cable that went RCA-->mini jack. Then I hooked up the mini jack to the input on my Santa Cruz and then controlled the sound through PC. I then had sound on my PC speakers. It worked like a champ let me tell you.

I played around with PIP (Picture In Picture) and PBP (Picture By Picture) for a while. That feature is really cool. It would work great if you wanted to watch the football game or something and hooked up a digital cable box or a VCR to tune in channels. You could just have the game in whatever corner you want. You can change what corner you want it in and the size of it (Small, Medium and Large).

[CAG]

Originally posted by sp0000nman
I was drinking Coors Light. Love it or hate it. LOL Love it :)

[CAG]

Originally posted by onepoint
first off i'm new here, and was (like so many others) brought by the 2005 info.

wonderful info so far guys, thanks and please keep the reviews / impressions coming!

a request that i have.. i'm interested in how the s-video and composite inputs work out.

i'm looking to purchase this monitor whenever the next deal or price drop comes out (not spending over $650-675 to my door, i may have to wait awhile!), and am looking to use it for a few things. i'll be going back to school in august, and i'm trying to find something i can also use to watch DVD's or hook up a digital cable box to (via s-video, most likely). i understand i'll have to use an external source for audio in this case, which i'm not worried about.

has anyone hooked this thing up to an external dvd player, cable box, or anything of the sort? if so, how did it look? easy to change inputs from computer to dvd/tv?

again thanks a lot, i'll be following this thread closely!

-pete Welcome to the board, pete :) Hope sp0000nman helped you out...stick around...there'll be alot more info on the way as more folks get a chance to play with this panel.

CAG

[TechBlaster]

Vertical Orientation:

[TechBlaster]

& Dual ... The Planar is a PL191M. 19" for reference. The Dell is brighter with much more vibrant colors. The actual vertical size difference between the Dell & the Planar is about 1". The Dell's higher resolution gives significantly more effective screen area.

[firstadopter]

Sweet Pics TechBlaster. The vertical screen looks kind of like a futuristic computer terminal.

[onepoint]

Originally posted by sp0000nman
I hooked up my modded xbox with composite because I wanted to see how it looked. For composite it didn't look half bad. It would look so much better with s-video but I don't have the advanced A/V pack to hook it up with that.

I played around with PIP (Picture In Picture) and PBP (Picture By Picture) for a while. That feature is really cool. It would work great if you wanted to watch the football game or something and hooked up a digital cable box or a VCR to tune in channels. You could just have the game in whatever corner you want. You can change what corner you want it in and the size of it (Small, Medium and Large).

beautiful, that's exactly the kind of info i was looking for. thanks a bunch :)

now for the waiting game.. lol let's go, coupons.

[CAG]

Originally posted by TechBlaster
Here's a couple pics.Great...just great!! Thanks, TechBlaster. Like onepoint said: "Let's go, coupons!"

[firstadopter]

FirstAdopter.com is a Dell affiliate, so when the coupons come out, let me know. And I'll get the FirstAdopter.com version of the coupons, so we can decrease my monthly losses from this site. :)

[CAG]

Dell should be sending you a paycheck every week for this and the 2001FP thread.

[BigPlayer]

I just got my new baby from the DHL guy. I hooked it up through DVI and guess what?...no signal. I used the button to switch to DVI and nothing. I can get it to work through the VGA cable ok. I can get my old LCD to work through VGA and DVI (with the vga connector dealie). I don't know where else to look. I thought I would try you guys out before Dell.

I am using a BFG 6800GT OC
dell 2005fpw

p.s. It looked like my new Dell had been opened and used previously..scratches, loose plastic etc...weird

§ean

[firstadopter]

I had a similar problem with the 2001FP. I forget what got it fixed though. Search through the 2001FP thread for DVI problem.

Other than that, I would get it replaced if possible. You don't want a used 2005FPW.

Which is kind of strange though, it JUST came out. How could it be used? Weird.

[BigPlayer]

I am going to call them. It seems a lot of the DVI problems are related to ATI cards.

Thanks for the help...I just want it to work?!?!?

[CAG]

Sounds like it fell off the back of the truck...if the DVI doesn't work at all (i.e., panel is dead blank), the panel's borked...but you may want to try this: With the panel connected via anolog (assuming that's the only way you can get a display), go in to the ATi Control Panel, click on Options and check the boxes in "Reduce DVI etc." and "Alternate DVI etc.". Click "apply", "OK", close out of the control panel and then reboot the machine. Then hook up the DVI and see if that has any effect. This works with the DVI powersave mode issue that some of 2001FP's have (mine has it) but it may work here. If that doesn't work, back to Dell it goes.

[BigPlayer]

how do I do that with a Nvidia 6800GT. I am on the phone right now with Dell..the guy has asked me 3 times which Dell computer I own...I told him 3 times I don't own a Dell computer..just a monitor that is soon to be returned!!

§ean

[BigPlayer]

They are going to send me a new DVI cable. I am using VGA now just so I can use it. Problem is, I don't see the 1680 resolution. I am using the latest NVIDIA drivers..

1 more time guys??


§ean

[ZiZ]

For all you folks some more pictures of the new kid of the block:

[ZiZ]

Nice set of inputs!

[ZiZ]

Very bright screen...

[elmalloc]

Dawg you got better advertising than dell