Poll: Number of Dead Pixels on Dell 2001FP Monitor

[firstadopter]

Poll: Number of Dead Pixels on Dell 2001FP Monitor

[firstadopter]

Post a message when you vote, so we know who has what in case anyone has questions. I had no dead pixels.

[bratboy]

Im not sure if its even a pixel or a subpixel but only one and you can only see/find it if you use a solid red background otherwise you cant find the sucker

[Strict9]

I had one dead pixel!!

[CAG]

On my original 2001FP, I had one that appeared ~6 weeks after I got it. Haven't had any (so far) on the replacement monitor. Does that count as half a dead pixel?

[firstadopter]

CAG, I wonder if this forum software lets you vote twice, try voting twice if you can.

[CAG]

Won't let me do it.

EDIT: Actually I can...thru the "Moderators" access...

2d EDIT: I just changed the vote count on "1-3 Dead Pixels" from 2 to 3.

[firstadopter]

Great, looks like it's 50 / 50 so far. Not a great ratio.

[monkeydust]

No dead pixels here.

[MailManX]

No dead pixels after 3 weeks of ownership!

Michael

[firstadopter]

And the no dead pixel camp takes a 3 vote lead! Now 2 to 1 ratio.

[Sidneyc]

I have two dead (green) sub-pixels even after exchanging 4 different monitors. It's hard to find them. You have to use a monitor test program to generate the primary RGB. one color at time. I have a program from nokia...very handy in testing monitor.

Whoever has no dead pixel, please try this. Search google for "nokia monitor test" Download the program and run it on your monitor.

Go to the "colour" section. Search every inch of your monitor, especially the green color. I bet you will find at least two black dots...dead sub-pixels.

[firstadopter]

I actually don't want to try it. If there are any, it would drive me nuts!!! :) I rather be dumb and not know if I can't tell already.

[CAG]

Do dead sub-pixels count in the poll? Don't know if I have any and I'm not sure if I want to find out (especially if I can't see them)...this is getting complicated.

CAG

[firstadopter]

What about hanging chads???

From now on, 2 dead-sub pixels = 1 dead pixel.

:)

[CAG]

Since you can't see them, why count them at all?

[CAG]

Well, I couldn't resist Sidneyc's invitation and I took the "nokia" test...no dead sub-pixels. Can I vote again? Anyway, its a cool little utility.

CAG

[Sidneyc]

You really got no dead subpixel??? no dead green subpixels????

damn...I must have bad luck then, after 4 exchanges, I still get those green dead subpixels.. They said even with 2 dead pixels, it's still below acceptable level for that size of monitor.

I guess I can live with that.

[TheAngryIntern]

DOH!!! I just hooked up the monitor and 4 dead pixels.....crapola on a huge stick....well, I guess I'll call dell tomorrow and get a new one....other than that, this monitor absolutely kicks ass. It's so freakin huge that I just can't believe it!!

[CAG]

TAI,

Let us know what Dell says. Anyway, with as much real estate as the monitor has, I can't believe they're very noticeable.

CAG

[TheAngryIntern]

well, now i count 5 bad pixels...and when there are 5 of those bad boys, they are pretty noticeable. I didn't notice anything when i first turned it on. I made my desktop all black and then all white, and noticed nothing....it wasn't until I fired up a game that i noticed them, and now they are oh so obvious. I'm also kinda disappointed, cuz they didn't include the upstream USB cable, instead I got another power cord (the part that goes from the wall socket to the converter), and no manual or any kind of written documentation, although i'm not sure if the new ones have that either. I'll see what dell says, but I'm thinking that i'll just return this one and then wait until the next 25% off sale and buy a new one. If it was only one or 2, i could live with that, but 5 is unacceptable. Plus I'm not quite sure but in the upper left hand corner, it kinda looks like bad pixels, but not quite, so I'm wondering if those are the sub-pixels i've heard people mention.

[firstadopter]

:( That stinks man, it sounds like someone else returned your monitor because of the dead pixels.

[MailManX]

I have several hanging chad, a couple of dangling participles and numerous dingleberries. But still no bad pixels. I'm sure sorry to hear about the 5 bad pixels for TheAngryIntern. I hope Dell resolves it to your satisfaction.

Michael

[Sidneyc]

Making the screen all black or white is still hard to find those dead sub-pixels.

If you "really" want to find them...like me :) you have to make the screen displays each sub-pixel (red, green, blue) one color at a time while you search for those dead guys.

From the previous 4 monitors that I exchanged, I found at least two dead green sub-pixels on all of them. then, I gave up searching for the perfect 2001FP.

[CAG]

I'll sell you mine, Sidneyc...no dead pixels or sub-pixels...oughta be worth top dollar.

[Blackhat00]

No dead pixels that I can see!

[Blackhat00]

Oops, spoke to soon. Used a different deadpixel test and I found one dead pixel on the green screen and verified it on the white screen. Still not too shabby, I have to really hunt to find it, it's in the lower left corner of my screen.

[CAG]

If you can't see it, it doesn't count.

[oct]

Got my new on 6/1, mutiple dead pixels and even some very light green blotches.
Every thing else is decent except for this dead pixel issue, I replace my with a Planar 19 inch LCD, that one had NO DEAD PIXELS, and Planar has a pure no dead pixel policy, the best in the LCD industry.

On the 2nd day 6/2, a new red dead subpixel pop out new next to the 1st day exisiting blue dead subpixel...

Run the test from
http://www.monitorsdirect.com/toolkit/
also notice a black dead pixel on full blue screen.

Total about 10+ dead pixel + some light dead blotches.

Already made request for replacment, hope this one is better.

BTW, my 2001FP is made in "China", I think this late batcn are really low quality control or the manufacturing procedure have been worsten.

So people with or claim "No Dead Pixel" 2001FP, would you post where your 2001FP is made and when ?
(It tells you on the back sticker)
Thanks
-oct

[oct]

Got my new on 6/1, mutiple dead pixels and even some very light green blotches.
Every thing else is decent except for this dead pixel issue, I replace my with a Planar 19 inch LCD, that one had NO DEAD PIXELS, and Planar has a pure no dead pixel policy, the best in the LCD industry.

On the 2nd day 6/2, a new red dead subpixel pop out new next to the 1st day exisiting blue dead subpixel...

Run the test from
http://www.monitorsdirect.com/toolkit/
also notice a black dead pixel on full blue screen.

Total about 10+ dead pixel + some light dead blotches.

Already made request for replacment, hope this one is better.

BTW, my 2001FP is made in "China", I think this late batcn are really low quality control or the manufacturing procedure have been worsten.

So people with or claim "No Dead Pixel" 2001FP, would you post where your 2001FP is made and when ?
(It tells you on the back sticker)
Thanks
-oct

[firstadopter]

The 59% no dead pixel survey thus far is a little bit disconcerting.

[oct]

I have a Planar 19 LCD and still got it.

No Dead Pixel what so ever and its only 1 inch smaller than my 2001FP.

I think the Dell 2001FP that are made in "China" Apr/2004 or recently has really bad QC and/or MF. They need to fix this problem or their LCD is JUNK.

[CyrusT]

Got mine yesterday. March/China.
No dead pixels. Used Nokia test.

[oct]

Dead pixel are pretty small on a 20in like the 2001FP, still Dell has bad QC to have many of them on LCD that normally cost $1000.

You have to look hard to find them.
The most noticeable is the 1) Green sub-pixel then 2) Red and 3) blue is the hardest to see on a black screen.
You can also check for black (dead) pixels on green/blue/red screens.

Like I said, they aren't that bad on a 20in, but for a $1000 monitor, you should expect better QC, as I have 19in Planar with no dead pixel.

[oct]

Dead pixel are pretty small on a 20in like the 2001FP, still Dell has bad QC to have many of them on LCD that normally cost $1000.

The Pixel Test App:
download Nokia Monitor Test here and run the color test
http://freepctech.com/rode/004.shtml
or
http://www.monitorsdirect.com/toolkit/

Then:
1: You have to look hard to find Dead Pixel.
The most noticeable is the 1) Green sub-pixel then 2) Red and 3) Blue is the hardest to see on a black screen.
2: Check for black (dead) pixels on green/blue/red and white color screens.

Like I said, they aren't that bad on a 20in, but for a $1000 monitor, you should expect better QC, as I have 19in Planar with no dead pixel.

I Find 8 dead pixel (color and black) altogether on my 1st 2001FP, hopefully the replacment is better.

Please post your results if you take this test.

Thank you.
-oct

[firstadopter]

I'm wondering if the 2001FPs people are buying off ebay are more liable to have dead pixels.

I recommend buying DIRECTLY from Dell, cuz you never know. They might of off loaded a big dead pixel patch to the ebay sellers and buying directly from dell is the only way you know for sure you get the full warranty.

I have always been a bit wary of buying high priced products on eBay, the risk just isn't worth it. Because you could be buying from any shady dealer on the internet.

[CAG]

Originally posted by CyrusT
Got mine yesterday. March/China.
No dead pixels. Used Nokia test.
Welcome to the board CyrusT :). Glad to hear your panel is "clean". I was beginning to wonder if any existed.

CAG

[oct]

Both of my 2001FP are "NEW from Dell" and
have at the very least 10 dead color+black pixels running Nokia Test and Dell's policy is 7 or more dead pixel for return.

I am beginning to think that Dell is just trying to save money and cost by not scraping bad LCD, and selling them because it just cost too much to produce them, plus China makes low QC product and/or the MF process of these 2001FP yields a higher bad pixel error, as I have a made in Taiwan Planar LCD with NO dead pixel and their policy is 4 or more dead pixel you get an replacement.

[Rogue]

Well, I have had this monitor for 5 days now and I have to say it is Very, Very nice. I have a boatload of dead sub-pixals though. 30+ stuck on green, 20+ on red and some on blue (I gave up counting). Dell is sending a replacement. If it has very many, I'm going back to my CRT as much as I hate too. For $800 buck, I expect perfection.

[Johnny Postman]

So far out of three 2001fp's I've had 8, two dozen or so and 5 dead pixels. Only voted once though :-)

[oct]

Ok Rogue and Postman, are you guys going to keep one of them and live with the dead pixels or just get a total refund ?

[Johnny Postman]

I got my 2001fp as part of my XPS system from Dell so getting a refund isn't an option (besides the total price was too good to pass up) so I'll keep plugging away with Dell Customer Care until I get one that's satisfactory.

I'd like one with no dead pixels but at this point would settle for one with only a couple if they were down low or to the sides and hopefully were just dead colored subpixels rather that the full-on dead black ones.

[Rogue]

Oct,

No way am I keeping my first one. For $800, I expect perfection. Dell shipped out a replacement last night around 9:00 and UPS showed up with it this today. So far, I don't see any dead pixels or sub-pixels :) I've played some Halo and Far Cry and it is a thing of beauty. And I haven't even cranked it up to the full resolution (need some more news parts to go that high and get an acceptable frame rate).

However, I think the SDE is a bit worse on this one, but it doesn't really bother me (at least not yet). It kinda gives a "depth" to the screen.

Kudos to Dell for fast shipping and great customer service!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CAG]

Originally posted by Rogue
However, I think the SDE is a bit worse on this one, but it doesn't really bother me (at least not yet). It kinda gives a "depth" to the screen.
Trust me Rogue, in a very short time you won't even notice the "SDE"...it'll just become another "feature" on what is, CRT or LCD, the best panel around. I've had a 2001FP since mid-February and every time I boot up, I'm still amazed by how good it looks. :) (Mickey Dell...are you following this thread?)

CAG

[oct]

Just got my 2nd rep.
It's the older verison made Feb/2004, older CD (Aug/2003) and Older Box.

Actually it looks to have no dead pixel intiailly and I was suspecting that the older buiilt was better, but after careful inspection 2 hrs after turn on, there is about 6 dead pixel. Only one of them was noticable.

I still think the older built is better quallity and I am probably going to keep this one since I am sick of returning and this one's dead pixel is not that bad...

Good Luck to all others trying to get a good one...

[Shanky T]

Just got mine today. AMAZING MONITOR!!! Of course I was expecting it to be amazing, but wow...

I did a check for dead pixels, i thought i had one, but then tried to "masssage" it lightly with a cloth.... turns out it was a piece of dust... thankfully no dead pixels.

Only negative thing I can come up with is I noticed the power brink gets very hot. I heard about this, but really- that thing is actually painfull to hold its so hot. anybody experience the same thing?

[Rogue]

Shanky T,

My power brick is just warm to the touch. Not bad at all. My Monitor has been on for quite a while now.

[CAG]

Welcome to the board, Shanky T :).

Like Rogue, my power brick is just warm to the touch. Never heard/read of this issue before. May be a good idea to contact Dell support on this one...they may have supplied you with a brick from a different model monitor...they're not really interchangeable...Anyway, let us know how it turns out.

CAG

[CAG]

Originally posted by oct
Just got my 2nd rep.
It's the older verison made Feb/2004, older CD (Aug/2003) and Older Box.

Actually it looks to have no dead pixel intiailly and I was suspecting that the older buiilt was better, but after careful inspection 2 hrs after turn on, there is about 6 dead pixel. Only one of them was noticable.

I still think the older built is better quallity and I am probably going to keep this one since I am sick of returning and this one's dead pixel is not that bad...

Good Luck to all others trying to get a good one...

Aug/2003 CD?! Wow, that's back when Dell was only selling the 2001FP as part of the Dimension desktop system. I agree with you, though, oct...if that one dead pixel isn't bothering you, keep the panel.

CAG

[Shanky T]

thanks!

do you guys feel its necessary to have a screensaver and to set windows to turn off the monitor after periods of time? or do you just have the monitor on all the time?

[firstadopter]

I usually turn it off when I don't use it for long periods of time. Don't know what is the right thing to do though.

[CAG]

Shanky T,

I guess after about 5 minutes or so, my screen goes into a sleep mode...I don't use a screensaver. DriverHeaven has an app called "DH Shutdown" here (http://www.driverheaven.net/cleaner/tools.htm) that will turn your whole pc on and off. I do have some really nice wall paper from here (http://www.deviantart.com/)...with a 20" screen @1600X1200, you can really appreciate it. :)

[catgut]

Bought new direct from Dell, 0 dead pixels when first powered up, 3 1/2 weeks later I still haven't found any.

[kf_man]

Only found 1 dead pixel that wasn't even noticable until I tested it online. Now I can see it if I really look for it, but even then it's almost impossible. This is not important to me in the least. I love the monitor and it's great for everything I've thrown at it.

[Zetto]

the one I have currently has 5-6 (one seems to be a group of 2-3 pixels) stuck pixels. Didn't see any dead ones, tho... Otherwise, the monitor is a pile of crap, USB hub is not working properly, screen is tilted (not level) in both portrait and landscape mode; and s-video does not get the signal. Rawr!!! Anyways, hope replacement will be better... if not, I'll return this garbage to where it belongs ;)

EDIT: OK, I am just steaming, I guess my expectation were too high. All I wanted is fully functional unit out of the box, but u can't have it all, can u?!?! ;) I am upgrading from Dell 1800fp, I had to have it replaced once, and the second monitor had no dead/stuck pixels... But in terms of SDE, I never observed it on the 1800fp, but on 2001fp it does come into focus every now and then. In fact, it seems that graininess/SDE is more noticeable at a distance, not when close to the screen, but it just me :D

[firstadopter]

Zetto, welcome to the board. I don't have any of the problems you listed, I hope you get a better monitor replacement soon.

[idx]

Build month: May 2004

I have about 3-4 dead pixels, but none of them are noticable until you use the online tests. (as expected you can see them best with green)

All of them seem to be within 1.5" of the edge, so its not a main area of focus. (have to look very close with the tests anyway)

Going to let it run for awhile, test again and maybe try some pixel massage. (yeah baby!)


-r

[Zetto]

Replacement monitor has 3 stuck/dead subpixels. 1 green stuck, 1 red and blue dead. I dunno... coupled with SDE, this monitor falls a little short of my expectations :(

[Rogue]

Zetto,

I'd give it another shot on a replacement.

I agree on your expectations. For the $$$, you need to be happy, extremely happy with your panel. Otherwise, get your money back because you will be kicking yourself for a long time.

[CAG]

Originally posted by Rogue
Zetto,

I'd give it another shot on a replacement.
Agreed

[kz1m9w]

No dead pixels on either of my 2001fp.

It appears I could only vote once though.

[CAG]

Originally posted by kz1m9w
No dead pixels on either of my 2001fp.

It appears I could only vote once though.
Rendition, is there something you can do to allow kz1m9w to vote twice, one vote for each of his panels?

[firstadopter]

Sorry.. no can do.

[Stonewall]

No dead pixels for me after going over it with a magnifying glass for 2 days. whoohoo....

[CAG]

Welcome to the board, Stonewall :)

Congrats on your new panel...no dead pixels is the answer to the prayer for any LCD. Play with it for a while and give us your impressions.

CAG

[jeffpriz]

I've had this monitor for almost a week now...

No dead pixles (i ran the http://www.monitorsdirect.com/toolkit/index.shtml) to test it)

Love the monitor!

[CAG]

@ Dell SB here (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?sku=320-1578&c=us&l=en&cs=04&category_id=5194&first=true&page=productlisting.aspx)