Dell 2001FP 20" LCD Monitor Review

[AriZoNaiCe]

Pat,
I agree that people should run at the native resolution, but sometimes it's too small...Like for my mom and my sister, I got them 19" CRT's and they still use 1024x768...It's crazy! However, changing the DPI is a good suggestion too. Anyways, the point of this particular post was to boast about how AWESOME the 2001FP handles its interpolating...It really looks sweet, even in the non-native resolutions! ;)

- Brian

[henhowc]

Hey Guys

New to posting on the forums.
I had a question about the 2001FPW

I was wondering why, when using my DVI connection on my Radeon 9700 Pro, I can't access the "Image Settings" menu for the monitor.

I am currently playing games like Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 and the fps just aren't acceptable to what i'm used to at the native resolution. On my old CRT I could run 1024x768 w/ 4AA/4xAF better and the image quality IMO was much better than what im getting now with 1600x1200 w/o any of those image enhancing features on. not to mention my fps is under 30 alot.

i know it kind of defeats the purpose of having such a large screen real estate but i hate the way the games look through scaling and would like to have the 1:1 feature available. is this an analog only feature? any help would be appreciated!

[henhowc]

never mind guys i should read the whole thread next time...although i had to search through 50 pages lol

the option to switch to 1:1 is only available when you're not on native res.

[sniii]

Hey there..

I got my Dell 2001FP monitor yesterday which replaced my old AOC 17" CRT. I'm running it through an ATI Radeon 9800 via. DVI.

As for general 2D display, excellent! Text is crisp and clear at 1600x1200 and so on...

I've spotted one dead pixel, I can live with that easily - however given that I've not been used to LCD monitors at all in the past, I've also stumpled over another "issue": Black Level ?
This was one of the first things I noticed, that when you for example display a completely dark background picture, it is in fact not genuinely displayed as totally black, but rather a _very_ dark grayish/blackish hue. I suppose this is just a common effect as a result of the way LCD's operate?

Another thing that caught my eye, is that the top-right corner area of the screen is slighty more lighty lit than the rest of the screen. When playing games in black environments or in other situations where the picture is darkish, I can't help but pay attention to the right corner, due to it's more "bright black" color. Is this a common problem with the Dell 2001FP monitor, or just mine?

I can live with it as I love the monitor in any other case, but I just wonder if I should aim at returnering it, in hopes of getting a replacement monitor without the top-right-corner backlight problem...?

[henhowc]

sounds like you have the backligh leaking issue that some other people have been complaining about.

[reuveng]

Black levels are the biggest limitation of LCD technology. I got my 2001 3 days ago and I run the Nokia Monitor tests. Looks like I'm lucky since there are no stuck pixels however, as mentioned before the totally dark screen is not 100% dark. Light is leaking and it's visible on some areas. I can live with that since a 100% dark screen is not something that I care about. In normal use this monitor is very good.

[AriZoNaiCe]

sniii,
I will say this in response to the black leaking issue...
On my monitor, I have played a few dark games...Mostly for testing purposes. However, when I do check the black areas, they are evenly lit, so it is not a distraction. It could simply be your monitor, and I would have to assume it is. The question becomes...If you think you can live with it and not be bothered, then do it. If you aren't so sure, then remember...If you're not happy with it after 20 minutes, you won't be any happier with it after 2 years. In fact, the problem will probably wind up making you more upset in the long run if it does bother you. I had 2 stuck pixels, and I chose to keep mine. I don't see them, and they don't bother me...If they had, I'd have sent it back.

- Brian

PS: Good luck, and keep us informed!

[curly]

After 9 days of waiting (with a 14" CRT 800x600 monitor attached to my x800XT Gfx)...i recieved my brand new Dell. Scared after my last experience I was soooo happy to conclude that this one is PERFECT!!!

Thax guys for all the advice... i found real happiness when playing Counter-Strike Source on my lunch break on my new screen...;-))

Now i am back at work and wondering how to cope with the crappy 17" CRTs we have here...

/Curly

[AriZoNaiCe]

Well Curly,
You don't really have to "cope" with the 17" CRT's at work...Simply because you know when you go home that you have something beatiful to look at! Anyways, congrads on your wonderful new monitor, and enjoy it. ;)

- Brian

[Stainless]

Is there a link to these Nokia tests?

[chaddc33]

Well I give up... I had ANOTHER replacement - refurbished of course - and it had 3 dead pixels right in the center of the screen. That I couldn't deal with - complained and finally they agreed to send me a new one. This one has a dead pixel in the center. One pixel is not a big deal but when it's in the direct viewing area it's a little annoying. So I am just keeping my origional monitor that creaks like crazy and doesn't always turn on rigth - but no dead pixels or high pitched whine.... Should have just never called I guess :(

[AriZoNaiCe]

No deal man, I would just freak out until they send you one that freakin' works...That's awful that you spend $600-$800 on a monitor and they can't get one to you hat works. I would NOT deal with my monitor not turning on sometimes. Mostly because there is the remote possibility that it will get worse and stop turning on all together.

- Brian

PS: Keep us informed.

[chaddc33]

I TOTALLY agree with you. The only thing is I'm just tired of the whole thing. I don't blame Dell really. They have been nice enough to ship me monitors overnight, and I do feel bad about having them do this. I just wish they had shipped me a new one to begin with. Then we'd be a little better off and I wouldn't have to keep resending it back and all that. I don't think they will replace this one - not sure I'm even going to call. Right now I'm using my origional monitor and it's working. Just back to the money issue it just kinda makes me a little ill to know I spent all this money and am accepting it this way. I know I wouldn't buy a new car with dents in it.

[AriZoNaiCe]

That was my point exactly...For the amount that we paid for these monitors, the least they could do is be sure we're happy. Why ever would we buy from them again? It takes freakin' like 3 weeks for them to ship it in the first place, and then we need to deal with support for another 3 weeks...And in the end, we're still not happy? Not okay.

- Brian

[chaddc33]

Right. I suppose if it were $200 I wouldn't care as much. $800 is a ton of moolah - even though now it's pretty easy to get these at about $650 or so with their sales. But still!! I probably will call them again tomorrow after my tiredness of dealing with this dies down. I totally expect them to not want to do anything about it this time - or if they do ship a replacement. I would buy another Dell in a second - I just think I'm getting some bad bad luck. I know I showed a friend the issues with the replacements and he didn't think they were that bad. Maybe I'm too picky. I guess with a display you are buying it FOR a good display - so imperfections in the very thing you are buying it for are kind of unacceptable....

[EzyRider]

The Good: used a coupon, ordered a 2001FP last Wednesday for $599, got it delivered today.

The Bad: 2 dead pixels, but I'm not super-picky and given all the trials and tribulations I've heard others going thru, I think I'm gonna keep. They're pretty hard to notice, and since my LASIK surgery I can't see that kind of detail at monitor-distance anyway (LASIK is a topic for another time...).

Th Ugly: Loaded HL2, got all excited and hit the 1620 x 1200 resolution and got a completely blank screen. Couldn't break it, re-started the machine and I'm still getting nothing. Any ideas?

[EzyRider]

Figured it out. That's why I'm a Farm Animal.

[AriZoNaiCe]

Lol EzyRider...
Perhaps you can tell us what the problem was so that if anyone has a similar issue, they can solve it too. My assumption is that 1620 is too high for the resolution and you needed to lower that to 1600.

- Brian

PS: We are very glad you like your monitor. Where are your dead pixels?

[EzyRider]

It was that the 1620 resolution was too high. I ended up unhooking the 2001FP (thru the DVI) and re-attaching my old CRT. The desktop was massive (at least 4x the screen size), but I was able to scroll to the toolbar and drop the resolution. Re-attached the 2001FP and all was (and is) well.

I'm still puzzled as to why the 2001FP didn't show anything at the high resolution while my CRT did (DVI connection vs CRT?), but after a few hours of HL2 (un-friggin-real) such imponderables left my head.

Really stoked about the monitor - no noticeable ghosting, even brightness and two dead, but minimally noticably pixels (in upper-right quadrant of screen, one near middle of screen, other about 2 inches above it).

[EzyRider]

You can download it here:

http://www.construnet.hu/nokia/Monitors/TEST/monitor_test.html

[vorpel]

MudDog,

I'm so sorry that I didn't see your post. With year-end projects at work, I've been burried.

I'm glad to see that you got your question answered. If you re-read my post, you will see that I don't have any experience with the new 2005fpw - just the 2000FP and 2001FP.

Personally I think you made the right decision to stick with the 2001fp. I've been extremely happy with them, and I have had no issues at all with response time, brightness, etc.

One thing to think about, if you want flexibility, for your desktop is to look at a monitor arm. I got one of these and installed it for my wife (she has the 2000FP). Wow! It is very sweet. I ended up mounting it to the wall and it really gives her a lot of flexibility to setup her desk however she wants.

Enjoy!

Originally posted by MudDog
Vorpel said:
I currently have 2 Dell 2001FP monitors and my wife has a Dell 2000FP.


Hi Vorpel,

Seeing as you are familiar with both of these monitors (2001FP and 2005FPW), I would really appreciate it if you could share with me your impression of these two monitors.

I placed an order some time ago with Dell for a system with the 20" 2001FP...it is a long story, but after 4 systems being sent to me (all with either the wrong components from what I ordered or systems that simply did not work) I now think (hope...have not put it together yet...) I might have a functional system.

During this process the 2005FPW came out however and, before I put this all together, I am wondering if maybe this new 2005FPW might be a better route to go. Although, I am a little concerned in that I have been reading about a large number of people reporting problems with their new 2005FPWs (bad pixels, brightness problems in screen corners, etc.).

From your experience, which screen type do you prefer?
Thank you Vorpel, I really appreciate your help!

[AriZoNaiCe]

That's very cool...I'm glad you got it working and that you're enjoying it. And thanx for the link.

- Brian

[chaddc33]

Just an update. I spoke with my sales rep about my monitor issues and he was very nice and shipped me out another - even though I didn't request it. The new one has a red dead (or stuck - I don't know what it's considered) pixel - or maybe even a sub-pixel in the lower-left hand corner of the screen - halfway to the middle. It looks smaller than a typical pixel - almost half a pixel. I noticed it on a white background quickly. It still annoys the crap out of me - the dead pixels. I guess I am being way too anal about this and should just accept it. The problem is I notice it quickly and it bothers me. I'm certainly not going to ask for any more exchanges - it's not fair to Dell. Now I just need to decide if I could live with it or live with my current one that creaks and doesn't always turn on (although it's been good lately in that aspect). Very very frustrating. Anyone feel free to tell me I'm being overly picky here :)

[firstadopter]

I would keep returning until I'm fully satisfied. I use my monitor everyday and I'm anal about it too. Maybe you should just get a full refund and then try again in 1-2 months or the next big sale?

[chaddc33]

I know and I agree. I'm definitely not fully satisfied. I just feel some guilt about having them keep sending me replacements. This is the 4th one - two reburbs and two new ones. My monitor I bought origionally and am using now is flawless with the display. I guess I'm having a hard time accepting anything less than perfect for the display. I'll take the creaking over a monitor that has a dead pixel monitor. I'm getting the impression that it's pretty rare to get an LCD of this size without some dead pixels?? They do sound hard to manufacture but you'd think they could come up with some new technique??

[firstadopter]

My 2001FP does creak once a while, it doesn't bother me much since I know I got the best deal on the market with no dead pixels.

I would keep the one with no dead pixels.

[firstadopter]

The problem with LCDs of this size is the sheer number of transistors. The 2001FP has 1600x1200, which means 1.92 MILLION transistors. For a monitor with no dead pixels, you have to have 1.92 MILLION perfect individual components made perfectly. As we all know, it is easier said than done.

[chaddc33]

That is a ton of transistors that's for sure!! It seems like such a fragile technology in a way. I definitely respect the amount of technology behind it though. I think I will just keep my perfect pixel LCD and deal with the creaking. It could be a lot worse and given that this monitor looks so good I'd rather have a good looking one with no dead pixels that makes a little creaking than one with dead pixels. Hopefully my other problem doesn't get worse!!

[Stainless]

After having this display for a couple of months, I've concluded that it's f***ing beautiful, stuck sub-pixel and all.

[firstadopter]

EVERY time I boot up my 2001FP for over a year now, I bask in glory and delight. It's amazing.

[tick221]

Well after receiving 3 defective 2005fpw's I went ahead and ordered a 2001fp which arrived today.

Perfection, no stuck/dead pixels and backlight leakage that is so minimal that I might be imagining it.

Should have gone this route in the first place

Alec

[firstadopter]

Ra ra ra! 2001FPs rule over 2005FPWs! Lol.

[sniii]

A while back I wrote about some problems with my 2001FP, especially in regards to a "white/greyish" area in the top-right corner of the screen, which I guess is what is being refered to as "backlight leakage"?
Anyway, given that it was quite noticeable I phoned Dell and they sent me a new monitor.

It has now been three days since I received my replacement monitor, and my observations are:

- Dark colors are much more accurate, I ran the nokia test and I could distinguish between all the black bars, unlike my first 2001FP, where I could only notice a difference between the last two!

- Unfortunately a quite annoying dead pixel in the lower center of the screen, but I can live with it..!

- And now my biggest gripe again: Backlight leakage! Once again I notice in the upper-right corner a white/greyish area, although not quite as noticeable as it was with my first 2001FP, but it's still there...
I'd rather have 5+ dead pixels than this backlight annoyance..

Soo...What to do? Is it impossible to get a 2001FP without some sort of backlight problems? Or have I just been unlucky?

I really love this monitor...but I really want it to be "perfect", given that I use it heavily throughout the day.

[ped]

Dell has the 2001FP on sale for 599.25

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=320-1578&category_id=4009

[LordStryker]

UPDATE:

Ok well after sending back the replacement monitor as it didnt work, I got yet another one. This one appeared to work at first, but now goes black for a couple seconds occasionally. I've now had to turn off and turn it back on for the monitor to "come back" after it goes black for no reason.
No, its not a screen saver as I have a dual monitor setup and when the screen saver kicks in, both monitors go dark. Not quite sure what the deal is there. If anyone else has run into this particular quirk, i'd appreciate if you could let me know what to do to resolve it.

[CAG]

LordStryker,

See if the first post in this thread helps http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=dim_monitor&message.id=33721 I had a similar problem and the ATi card fix worked for me.

CAG

[logic888]

Howdy. This thread pops up fairly high on Google.

A new 2001FP owner here. Picked one up when Dell was blowing them out for $527 earlier this year. First 2001FP came with 1 dead pixel, 1 stuck blue pixel, 2 stuck green subpixels, and 1 stuck red subpixel. The backlighting was so-so. But to tell the truth, it was pretty hard to tell in normal usage. I had to run a pixel testing utility (I used Dead Pixel Buddy) to find them.

So called Dell up and they were very nice and sent out a replacement that day. It came a few days later and so far, the new 2001FP seems to have 0 problem pixels. Must have stared at the screen for 20 minutes. My eyes were beginning to ache after awhile. But the monitor has a bit more backlighting problems. The upper right corner is a bit bright but I think I can live with that in exchange for 0 dead pixels.

The monitor is a nice upgrade over my 17" Trinitron. 1600x1200 is pretty nice, the lag is bearable, and I don't really notice the screen door effect. Now I just need a graphics card that can handle 1600x1200 at a reasonable frame rate. So for the price, this is definitely a four star monitor.

[firstadopter]

Welcome aboard Logic, I'm glad the 2001FP replacement had no dead pixels. I was so worried when I first opened mine. It has now served me for over a year very faithfully. And it's now the primary display for my Mac Mini. :)

[firstadopter]

I can't imagine going back to my old 19" Trinitron. To think I spend year staring at that thing thinking it was great. Lol.

[ziphnor]

All in all, ive been through 4 20" LCDs now. First a Dell 2001FP with a green stuck subpixel right in the middle of the screen, i returned that. Then a ViewSonic VP201b with so many stuck subpixels i didnt even bother counting them, i also returned that.

Then i got another Dell 2001FP, with a nasty green stuck subpixel and some other minor issues which "earned" me a replacement which had 2 red-on-white stuck pixels, and other minor issues, which i am returning(its still within 14 days), in fact they are supposed to pick it up today.

I think ill have one final go when i get my money back from the current one, but if that fails also i guess ill just have to give up....

[Stoney]

Hi everyone,

I just received my 2001FP and I am quite happy with it, except for the extreme backlight in all 4 corners....

For example, when I watch DVDs in widescreen, the black bars are almost light grey in the corners...

Is this really acceptable? What are you guys experiences?

[reuveng]

Send it back. You should not see any back light leakage. Mine is almost perfect.

[Stoney]

So I just got a bad one? This is not a general problem with this monitor?

[reuveng]

It's not a chronic problem but it may happen due to a change in the panel position.

[Stoney]

What would cause that?

[el suturo]

hi everyone

Very nice forum!
I only just found out about this Dell monitor
Bought an Iiyama 15" years ago and loved it, but hated the resolution (1024x768 is useless isnt it?)
But it did fuel my love for LCD, I actualy work with a blurry CRT all day and it's SOO nice to come home to a nice flatscreen!!!
Never thought i would actually own a 1600x1200 lcd, but it looks like i'm going to order one of these babys after reading most of these pages
I have one question though, to be honest i don't like the look of the plastic ring they stuck this beauty on! Is it possible to take it off and replace it with a nice arm i can mount to the wall? If so, I take it looses the ability to twist to portrait mode?

Bye!

René

[CAG]

Hi Rene and welcome to the forum :)

I think you'll be very happy with the 2001FP...I've had mine for ~11 months and I'm still amazed at how good it looks. IMO, the silver ring looks nice...anyway, the panel is so large that you hardly even notice the base. I don't see why it couldn't be arm mounted but I don't think Dell sells that accessory...you may need to email customer support about that. There are a number of sites that sell mounting arms...I googled the phrase "mount arm lcd" and came up with a bunch.

Welcome aboard,

CAG

[RicoRico]

I have the monitor and I think it looks and works great.

I just wanted to add a word about the pivot (90 degree rotation from landscape to portrait) ) on the 2001FP. (Sorry if I missed this information posted elsewhere on this forum.)

For this feature to work out of the box, your video/graphics card must support pivot capability (it must provide the mode 1200x1600 as well as the standard 1600x1200 resolution).

My graphics card (an old ATI Rage Fury Pro 128--i am obviously not a gamer) does not handle this, but I was able to use the Pivot Pro software from Portrait Displays. They have a free 30 day trial download:

http://personalcomputing.portrait.com/us/products/pp_tbyb.html

I've only been using this s/w a short while, but it seems to work nicely.

On the 2001FP, as far as I can tell, there is no automatic switch to change the video mode from portrait to landscape. I have to switch the graphic mode myself (e.g. via an icon on the system tray for Pivot Pro, or via your graphics card setup controls).

I've never used a pivot monitor before, but I like the engineering of the Dell stand and the smooth/solid rotation of the pivot on the 2001FP.

By the way, here is some more info on the mount:
"The screen has a receptacle for a standard 100mm VESA wall mount, but can be interchanged with the stand. Interchanging the stand with a VESA wall mount was very simple and requires no tools."
The quote comes from the anandtech review:

http://anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=1918&p=4

I'd be interested to hear other people's opinions / experience about the pivot and portrait graphics mode.

-ricorico

[Savage1701]

I purchased a couple of Dell 2001FP's in October. Here is my main problem with these monitors: Dell knows of a huge problem with these monitors not reading EDID data correctly from DVI input (Which, as we know, is far superior to VGA, and why I bought these to begin with). The effect of this is as follows: Blanking during use, and refusal to "wake up" from sleep mode. This problem occurs for me with NVDA cards to some extent, and 3Dlabs Wildcat cards to the point that they are unusable. If I could send these back, I would, in a heartbeat. I just assumed all along it was the fault of my BIOS. It's not, Dell knows it, and the fix they offer does not work reliably. The only workaround I have seen is to use the 2nd. DVI port on a dual-DVI card (kiss that multimonitor setup goodbye), and apparently ATI Catalyst software has a radio button that says "allow high frequency monitors" that helps. Maybe this info has appeared elsewhere in this forum, I just joined so I have not read every post.

[CAG]

Welcome to the forum, Savage1701 :)

This issue had been covered a few times before in this thread but it is such a long thread that no one can blame you for not finding it. I had this issue with my 2001FP, used the Dell "fix" for ATi cards, and I've never had it since. There have been some mile-long threads on this issue in the Rage3D forums and others and its not just a Dell problem but an issue that also occurs in other mfgr's panels...you just hear about it more with reference to Dell simply b/c Dell sells more panels than anyone else. Moreover, there is a split in opinion as to whether the problem stems soley from the panel or soley from the video card or is a combination of both. Anyway, neither the card mfgr's (Ati and nVidia) nor the panel mfgr's have done much about it simply b/c statistically it doesn't occur that often. To Dell's credit, they have at least posted a fix for it. My personal belief is that it is a random signal synchronization issue between the DVI-connected panel and the card that has always existed but has become more pronounced as the the speed and the resolution of the panels have increased and the speed of the cards has increased.

CAG

[CAG]

I have the monitor and I think it looks and works great. Welcome to the board, RicoRico :)

I can't add anything to your very informative post...I always keep my panel in it landscape position...I tried rotating it once just to see how that worked.

Again, welcome.

CAG

[el suturo]

Thanks for the help people
I just ordered my 2001FP
Sold my old 15 inch lcd last night so I am without monitor now!
Not the smartest thing to do maybe, but I was just interested if someone would pay way too much for it and someone did, two hours after putting it on a site.
Anyway I have to use my neighbours PC now for a week, but thats ok
Maybe now i'll get around to cleaning my house
Once I get my screen i'll probably be stuck behind it for some time... Or in front of it...

Bye!

René

[bradolson]

New $55 coupon just released.

Both 2001FP and 2005FPW available for $506 shipped.

Details at http://www.gottadeal.com

[Savage1701]

To the moderator: Thanks for your reply concerning my post on 2001FP and EDID data issues. I figured there had to be a post in here somewhere about it. As I understand it, you are certainly correct that ATI cards have the easiest fix. Sadly, I use all NVDA and 3Dlabs cards, and have not had good luck with the fix working. Interesting that it can affect other panels/card combos. This is the first it has happened to me, but it is also the highest resolution I have ever attempted to drive with a DVI port. As you suggest, things may get skittish at higher frequencies. Again, thanks for your reply to my post.

[el suturo]

WOOOOOOOHOOOOO

I got my 2001FP today and im as happy as all of you were over a year ago!! hehe
its so nice and i never thought i would make windows smaller coz they were too big. Especially reading on the net makes your head move so much
who knew!
the only bad thing is that my graphics card is not really feeling the 1600x1200
but it doesnt have DVI either so i have to upgrade soon

take it easy ppl
rene

[hitch]

On my new 2001FP, I can see some faint grid and ghost lines.
The faint grid is well seen in dark areas, especially when I start working on with this monitor after working with a CRT, and especially if I move my head. I am not sure if it is an optical effect or whatever because of the crispness of of the cells.
Do you have such and what do you think?
I also see faint vertical lines that appear just to the right of any dark vertical lines, maybe off by a milimeter or so. For example, look here http://wvs.topleftpixel.com - I have lines to the right of the picture edges.
I am not sure if it's a glitch of a monitor or videocard (I have pretty old one, GeForce2).
Do you have them and what do you think?

[firstadopter]

If you read my reviewing, which is the first post on this thread, the lines are there. However you have to stare real close to see them, and I think it's really not any worse than other LCD monitors out there.

[Rogue]

Dell has a new coupon out there - 0G?$?NDWV24$V?

Expires today (3/2) or after 2000 uses brings the 2001FP down to 496.75
and I just ordered one, so the number of uses is down to 1999 or less....
This is my second one of these monitors. I paid $800 last June and it was well worth it.

CAG, how about the chant?

Hoping for no dead pixels....

[Arnir]

Howdy folks.

I'm new to these boards and just ordered a refurbished Dell 2001FP to go with my new (and first) home built system. I'm replacing a 17" Sony LCD. Hopefully I will have my new unit up and running next week.

Thanks to everyone for all the posts. Only got up to page 25 before I decided to join. Still need to read all the other pages.

Thanks for reading.

Arnir

[BlueZ71]

Hello,

I'm a proud new owner of the Dell2001fp. I love it. No dead pixels. I did have some back light leakage on the first one but they replaced it with a new one no problem.

My question is this: I run it in DVI from an ATI card. I keep the brightness all the way down on the monitor and adjust from the card. I was just wondering what some your settings were for the brightness and contrast..

Thank you.....

[spooley]

A bit late to the game but I'm going to paste my post here from the 2005FPW thread for maximum exposure and opinions.

-------------------

Hi all, Found this forum on google, looks like there is some exc. info here.

I am dithering (pun intended, hehe) between the 2005FPW and the 2001FP. Having read this thread from start I noticed no answer to post number 390 by goblue on Nov. 24:
http://www.firstadopter.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3366&postcount=390

Re: 2001FP/2005FPW Size Comparison
Thanks CAG. That helps quite a bit. Also the picture of the monitors side by side is probably the best comparator.

I noticed that Dell has different specs for the 2001. On the link you provided, contrast is 400:1, but when you build a system and choose the help me decide screen, a graph comes up indicating that both the 2001 FP and 2005 FP are 600:1. Is this a mistake or is the 2005 have been contrast and luminance?

Can anyone who has both (rare bird) notice a difference between the two monitors?

I really want to grab the 2001 because I don't use my PC for gaming or graphics work and I don't watch DVDs or TV on it so the widescreen features are lost on me. The main use will be internet, some amateur photoshop work and a bit of video editing.

I guess my biggest concern is dell.com shows the 2005 has better specs and I can probably learn to live with the wideness if it delivers a better picture. The 2 models are almost the same price right now, actually the 2005 is a bit cheaper! The newest Rev. A01s seem to have the bugs worked out but the backlight issue worries me, the 2001 is a year older so the I suppose they have the formula down pat now.

Thanks in advance from a total newbie.

[Seymoua]

Got a dell 2001fp today. Did buy now on ebay, 2 days ago, £300 (think that is about $600-700) for a 1yr old unit claiming to have no dead pixels, then I discovered this forum and have been anxiously awaiting getting it after reading about the problems some ppl have had. But dad picked it up today and its perfect. No dead pixels, no back light leakage and got it in silver too. Played battlefield 1942 and counterstrike and i can't see any ghosting even on d-sub connection.
The SDE is there slightly in windows, but it does not annoy me and I am getting used to it. This monitor is amazing, was worried I would have a problem with image quality, having come from a 21" flat CRT, but its even better and on top of all that i get my desk space back too. Very pleased, would heavily recommend to people for gaming.

[CAG]

Hi spooley and welcome to the forum :)

I'm not quite sure what you meant by "better specs"...both panels have about the same response time and, although the 2001FP has a slightly lower spec'd contrast ratio, its a bigger panel with a higher native resolution and many more pixels. I have to agree with Seymoua's comment that its an amazing panel. Its big, bright, and beautiful...I've had mine for a year and I still love it. In short, you'll be very happy with a 2001FP.

CAG

[CAG]

Welcome to the board, Seymoua :)

Happy to hear you are enjoying your new panel...there's a picture of silver one somewhere in this thread...Cool color but I guess you can only get it in Europe.

CAG

[spooley]

Thanks for the welcome. This place is great, 2 thumbs up! By better specs I meant the following:

brightness:
300 cd/m² for the 2005
250 cd/m² (typical) for the 2001
***And "typical" means???

contrast ratio:
600:1 for 2005
400:1 for 2001

Color support for the 2005 is listed as 16.7 million and the 2001 page simply says "yes". I'm thinking its most likely the same number for the 2001 and someone at dell didn't bother looking it up.

IMO better specs don't mean everything w/o seeing them in person, I just wish there were Dell PC stores where you could see both monitors side by side. Response time isn't super important to me, as I mentioned there will be next to no gaming or movies/tv expected of it.

I'm starting to lean towards the 2005 not based on these numbers but the resale value, the sexy WS panel will likely be "fresher" and may fetch more towards the 2705 I will be buying by then. Now all the non-widescreen owners can talk me into the 2001. :D

Hi spooley and welcome to the forum :)

I'm not quite sure what you meant by "better specs"...both panels have about the same response time and, although the 2001FP has a slightly lower spec'd contrast ratio, its a bigger panel with a higher native resolution and many more pixels. I have to agree with Seymoua's comment that its an amazing panel. Its big, bright, and beautiful...I've had mine for a year and I still love it. In short, you'll be very happy with a 2001FP.

CAG

[CAG]

Now all the non-widescreen owners can talk me into the 2001. :D
You really can't go wrong with either panel. I haven't checked prices on the 2001FP but with the discounts that were recently posted in the 2005FPW thread, the 2005FPW may be the better value. Already having a 2001FP, the 2005FPW would not be an "upgrade" for me...I'm holding out until the 2405FPW prices come down.

CAG

[spooley]

I'm holding out until the 2405FPW prices come down.

CAG

Thats becoming a national sport, hehe.

I seen the 2005 in person at a friend's place and it is spectacular - best color reproduction I have ever seen on an LCD. I have a week to decide so my antenna will be up for any good coupons, etc.

[nipmads]

Hello all.

Just ordered the 2001 FP and looking forward to it arriving in the near future (hopefully)

Just so I don't end up with this nice monitor, and not being able to use it would be annoying - so was wondering which accesories are included - and in particular whether or not a DVI cable is included.

hope to get some replies

kind regards,

Nipmads - Denmark

[spooley]

I'm guessing yes, my friend's 2005FPW had everything required in the box from Dell, DVI cable included. The VGA cable was kind of spindly but it was there too.

ust so I don't end up with this nice monitor, and not being able to use it would be annoying - so was wondering which accesories are included - and in particular whether or not a DVI cable is included.

[CAG]

Welcome to the board, nipmads :)

Spooley is correct...you'll get a DVI cable and VGA cable. For some reason, the panel comes with the VGA already connected (at least mine did). The VGA cable has the white heads and the DVI cable has blue heads. You'll also get the stand, power cord, a CD, and a quick-start guide...everything you'll need get it up and running out of the box :D

CAG

[stupot42]

Welcome to the board, nipmads :)
The VGA cable has the white heads and the DVI cable has blue heads.


Sorry CAG, you've got that the wrong way round... DVI is the white, and VGA is the Blue.

[CAG]

Yep...you're right. I haven't looked in the back of my panel for a while.

Thanks,

CAG

[stupot42]

Nps... Hope I didn't come across as being rude.

[CAG]

Hope I didn't come across as being rude.
Not at all! Thanks for the catch :)

CAG

[nipmads]

Well,

Just received my LCD - and what a joy, compared to my 15ton old CRT monitor! much more stream lined - and clearer colors!

thanks for the help

-Nipmads

[stupot42]

They are great monitors... May many happy years be yours.

Stu

[CAG]

Congrats, nipmads...enjoy! :)

CAG

[jnewell68]

hi all,

Great forum. Thanks for all the advice. Dell outlet has amazing prices right now on refurbed 2001 and 2005.

Why is the 2001fp more expensive?

Here are the prices for the rest of the day:

2001fp $458
2005fp $438

Looks like I need to pull the trigger today, and usually newer is better. But yet the 2001fp is more expensive and still popular.

Help!!

Jeff

[spooley]

hehe, I ran into the same thing, no idea why the 2005 is cheaper. I am still trying to make up my mind, from day to day I find new reasons to pick one over the other. By the time I decide the 2405 will be around $600 and I'll be looking to add that to the mix. :D

[jnewell68]

Thanks spooley, SO helpful. ;-)

Actually, just found it brand new with a coupon for $487. Expires tonite, so think i will pull the trigger.

I guess the swivel mount on the 2001fp would be cool, but not sure i would really use it very much.

[stupot42]

What do you mean by swivel mount? The 2005 can be turned in a horizontal and vertical plain to suit your taste, and can also be swiveled to portrait to view in portrait mode.

Is that the same thing?

[jnewell68]

You are correct, it DOES swivel. Cool.

Thanks.

Jeff

[CAG]

These prices are amazing! A year ago, I paid about $750 for the 2001FP and that was considered a GREAT price then.

CAG

[jtcedinburgh]

As a long-term PC user who's had enough of PCs and is taking his first steps into the world of Apple OSX, I had great difficulty weighing up whether or not to spring for the 30" Apple HD Cinema Display. At £2000+ it's much, much more expensive than two 2001FPs and that was my dilemma.

I finally came to the conclusion that the Dells were too affordable to ignore - at the moment, Dell UK offers them for £338+VAT each, free delivery. So I've ordered two, to be used with my forthcoming Apple PowerMac G5 (not ordered - waiting for a speed-bump).

I'll post more tomorrow (as time is limited for now) but my research shows that the Dells share basically the same panel line as the Apple displays - an LG S-IPS panel - though in 5:4 rather than 16:11 - and that basically makes me feel that they have to be pretty close in performance. Not having seen a 2001FP in person, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it can match the quality I've seen in Apple LCDs, without the huge price.

I had a Dell Inspiron laptop (model 8000) at one point. It had a beautiful screen - 1600x1200 and 15" 5:4. It was great, and I miss it (using as I do a Powerbook 12" G4 whose screen, though nice, isn't near to the old Dell's screen). I am hoping that the 2001FP will give me a similar or better performance to that old Dell laptop, but in a bigger format. Does anyone have any experience with the laptop screen I'm talking about in comparison?

I'll be driving the two panels using a 6800GT or Ultra, dual DVI. I'm hoping that the problems some have posted re: DVI and ATI compatibility doesn't extend to the Mac versions of their cards. Fingers crossed.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for now problems with either panel, though I could handle one or two defective pixels if it comes to it. That said, I have two 15" Philips panels - a 150P and a 150S - both of which I am very happy with, so maybe I'm easily pleased.

The Mac is going to be used for web dev & Photoshop work mainly, with a fair amount of surfing and I'm not reallly into FPS games so that's not so important. I'm kinda hoping that the Dells mate well with the Apple - my wife has access to professional calibration spiders for the Apple, so I will get them calibrated and report back once they arrive.

Can't wait... I hope I've made the right decision here!

John

[CAG]

Welcome to the board, jtcedinburgh :)

Like you, the vast majority of folks that have this panel bought it without ever seeing it "live" first. I have a Sager notebook w/ a 15" 1600x1200 UXGA LCD screen and the 2001FP is much faster, much bigger, and much nicer. I think that you will be extremely pleased with your choice...just keep repeating the mantra: "Please God, no dead pixels!"

CAG

[jtcedinburgh]

Hi, thanks for that, CAG.

As it happens, despite the shipping estimate running to 8 days or so, it's due to be delivered tomorrow - less than 48 hours after ordering. I say "it's" but really I should say "they're" as I'm getting the two, did I say :D

I was a bit confused about what people meant by Screen Door Effect, but a quick google and now I understand. I have to say, I had this with my Dell Laptop and didn't think anything of it, so unless it's much more pronounced I am not in the slightest bit concerned. Just have to repeat that 'no dead pixels' mantra as you suggest...

In the short term (until I buy my new Mac) I'm going to run the first panel with the Shuttle XPC - a modest box with a 9800SE AiW & DVI - and the second with the Mac via its VGA adaptor (mine is the 12", so unless I bought a mini-DVI to regular-DVI adaptor I'm stuck with VGA). However, when the Mac is purchased I'll wire it up so that the PC runs via VGA into one panel and the Mac has DVI on both. The Powerbook will go back to being untethered.

My wife has access to a pro-level calibration spider (she's a pro photographer for an architectural archive) so it will be interesting to see what difference that makes (and indeed if it's even necessary) but that will have to wait until the Mac arrives.

In the meantime, I'll post back once they're here, up and running. Tonight, I shall tidy my desk in prep!

John

[jtcedinburgh]

Anyone here using a 2001FP with a Mac on DVI? Just curious to hear how that is working out...

John

[stupot42]

I was a bit confused about what people meant by Screen Door Effect

I've read lots about this Screen Door Effect, but have never actually seen it... does anyone have a picture. I'm just interested to be perfectly honest, so it doesn't matter if not.

[Nick!]

I've read lots about this Screen Door Effect, but have never actually seen it... does anyone have a picture. I'm just interested to be perfectly honest, so it doesn't matter if not.

I tend to just stick my face up close to an LCD screen. Observe the space between the pixels as the black lines you can make out when you're close, and they shrink away the more you move away from it. Now imagine that you could still see those lines from a usable distance...

I've never seen a picture that made it any clearer than doing that in person. Your mind can figure it all out pretty quick with the in-person visual :)

[stupot42]

Ah, I see... that would be quite annoying. I don't think I've ever seen a screen that did that.

[jtcedinburgh]

They arrived today. I'm sitting at the Powerbook, using the 2001FP via the mini DVI->VGA adaptor, and the picture is very good considering. To this screen's right is the PC connected via DVI and that picture is pretty amazing. I've not spotted any problems so far - overall I'm very pleased. More tomorrow!

John

[stupot42]

That's great to hear. Glad you're pleased.

[Beedeebede]

Sorry folks, forgive me but I've been away from the discussion for some time...I got a new cpu running an Nvidia 6800 GT card with my panel and it blanks the screen while websurfing lasting about 1 or 2 seconds and only in 32bit color mode at 1600x1200 resolution. It is very rare to happen at 16 bit mode.

What is the work around for this problem again? I have not been able to find an Nvidia specific fix in the now mile long thread that is this one!

Please note that it is not a powerdown or refusal to wake from sleep problem, its simply screen blanking.

BD

[spooley]

So I did it - I finally bought the 2001FP and it is amazing.

I decided this was the panel I wanted/needed over the 2005FPW as the widescreen wasn't going to be a benefit to me in everyday use.

Now to upgrade my vid card and add some good speakers. No more decisions as hard this one in PC components, please!

[jtcedinburgh]

Update: Well, I've had the panels in place for the past two weeks now and I'm as happy now as I was when I first received them. No dead pixels found yet - and if they're there, I'm happy to announce that they're obviously not significant enough for me to notice, so it wouldn't be a problem.

The only minor complaints I have is the slight tendency for a graininess. This is a thing I put down to the coating on the panel itself, and it's not really a problem. It is something I've noticed, and seems worse via the analogue inputs as opposed to the DVI inputs.

Have tried the rotation facility with my PC - Radion 9800 AiW - and it works well. Been doing a fair bit of VS.NET development and find that the vertical orientation works better for me. The only complaint about operating vertically is that it looks a little bit odd. However, that's a minor point. Oh, and the Dell logo obviously ends up on its side - it would have been nice if the logo was on a non-rotatable bit of the stand, but I can understand why the wanted it on the panel bevel.

Other comments: no signs of the creaking or funny smells a few have reported. The panel which is connected to my Powerbook (via the mini DVI->VGA adaptor) also manages the gradiation test (full black in steps to full white) without any compromises, though the DVI from the Radion in the PC doesn't quite manage the discrimination between the darkest gray and full black. Not a thing that concerns me as it's almost certainly a graphics card thing rather than a limitation of the panel.

Haven't tried the USB ports yet, though I'm sure they work fine. It would have been nice if they'd added a Firewire port there, but if I'd really needed that, I could have spent 3-4x as much to buy the Apple 23" ACD, which uses a WA panel from the same model range as the Dell, so it would end up being a *very* expensive firewire port indeed.

I'm now biding my time waiting for the announcement of a revised PowerMac to go with these panels - hope that they work as well with DVI off the new Mac as they do with the PC (although with better gradiation discrimination).

Happy me!

John

[Dinaelb23]

I can't believe how long you guys have kept this forum going. Congrats on that, and thanks to all who posted a lot of very valuable info. I just barely made the purchase. Final Price was $555.76 after taxes on a new 2001fp. I don't feel I'm taking as much as a plunge as you guys who paid $900 for yours, but man I'm sure hoping for 0 dead/stuck pixels. Wish me luck all!
P.S. I used this link to get the 30% off instead of the standard 25% that Dell is advertising. It ends the 12th.
http://www.xpbargains.com/dell_coupons/

[Dinaelb23]

0 dead pixels. It's wonderful in every aspect. Having to use analog from onboard Intel extreme graphics controller until I get my new video card. I'm hoping the DVI creates an even more beautiful and sharp image than what I've got here. Activating the clear type feature in display options made text 50% better. I think I'm used to the size now, went from a cheap dell 17 inch crt. Lovin it!

[BlueZ71]

Hi,
I posted a similar question a while back but no replies. I was wondering what some of your brightness/contrast settings are. I am using dvi so I'm changing the settings through my ATI 9800 pro properties. Can't seem to find the optimal setting.

Thanks in advance,
Blue

[Dinaelb23]

I found 1 dead pixel. It showes up as blue when the screen is dark and it's on the lower left side of the screen. In normal lighting conditions, I never see it. But I'm sure I'll notice it a couple of times playing dark games like Doom 3.
No complaints though. I still consider myself lucky.

[QuickSilverSTi]

Picked mine up yesterday for $529 shipped (% sale plus stacked a coupon from gotapex.com), hooking it up to a X850XT...hope everything works as advertised. Great thread.

[ROBERTELLIS]

I just ordered a 2001FP today. Do I need a different video card to run this monitor on my five year old Dell. The card I have is a 16MB ATI Rage Pro. I don't beleive it has a DVI connection. Please advise.

Thanks

[QuickSilverSTi]

Did you click the "specs" button? It has DVI and Analog inputs. I honestly don't see the point in ordering such a monitor and having such a junk video card. Of course, at this point, you should replace that Dell as well...you can get a much better Dell for under $500 now - go to gotapex.com and look at the Dell deals/coupons.

[firstadopter]

Robert, try the 2001FP with your current video card. It will work fine. But if you want improved video quality and it doesn't sound like you're a hardcore gamer.

So if you want to upgrade to a DVI videocard, there are plenty of cards available these days at newegg.com for real cheap.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121184
$29

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102523
$29.50

Before you buy, make sure you computer supports AGP video cards.

[JRW]

Just purchased a 2001FP on dellhome @ $614 shipped ..I just hope it can compete with my current 21" Sony CRT! ;)

[c5kirk]

Just ordered the 2001FP from Dell Home... total price including shipping (which was free) = $464.30. Can't wait to get this hooked up to my Powermac. If anyone needs the coupon codes to get it at this price here ya go...

30% off 2001FP Coupon Code: 1QD1X5X67QWVBQ (expires 6/28/05 or after 3000 redemptions)
$60 off electronics item over $500 Coupon Code: PKFZBW2Q?V3F33 (expires 6/28/05)
Free Ground Shipping on peripherals over $25 expires 6/28/05 (no code needed)

Thanks for all of the great info. and reviews. It really helped me make my decision.

Cheers!
Kirk

[Stainless]

I think you guys are going to love it. I think it's an awesome display. For under 500 bucks it's a steal.

[JRW]

Just ordered the 2001FP from Dell Home... total price including shipping (which was free) = $464.30. Can't wait to get this hooked up to my Powermac. If anyone needs the coupon codes to get it at this price here ya go...

30% off 2001FP Coupon Code: 1QD1X5X67QWVBQ (expires 6/28/05 or after 3000 redemptions)
$60 off electronics item over $500 Coupon Code: PKFZBW2Q?V3F33 (expires 6/28/05)
Free Ground Shipping on peripherals over $25 expires 6/28/05 (no code needed)

Thanks for all of the great info. and reviews. It really helped me make my decision.

Cheers!
Kirk

Ouch I guess its to late for me to get the discounts? even tho its not scheduled to ship until the 27th?

[TheAngryIntern]

It is crazy to think that this thread was started over a year ago and it is still going strong. I wonder how many people were influenced by the info presented in this thread to go ahead and buy the monitor? I know I was. After a year i still absolutely love this monitor. About the only thing that I would trade up for is maybe one of those 30" Apple displays!!!

[Jbinnyc]

I want to thank everyone here because your comments help make my final decision to purchase the Dell 2001FP. I had a Samsung 150MP. I loved my 15" LCD Samsung (had it for over 6 years). I wanted to upgrade to a larger 19" Samsung model, but saw a review on the Dell. Then read thru this thread & decided to go for it!

First, I got it delivered to my door for $504 (including NYC sales tax & FedX). I couldn't believe the price (more than willing to pay $750 for a Samsung). Then I got it working! I had no idea that a 20" LCD monitor could be so AMAZING. No doubt that I will be keeping this for a long time to come. Perfect companion to my Dell 4600C.

THANKS!!

[JRW]

Yay my monitor shipped on friday ..should have it by this wednesday'ish

[JRW]

Well I have the 2001FP installed and must say it has a beautiful picture, However when comparing it next to my 21" Sony CRT the LCD has pretty poor black levels, is this normal for LCDs? Thats the only negative Im seeing with the output so far (DVI) It was especially noticable when playing Doom 3 ,basicly black looks grey even when turning the monitor brightness down to 0. Also when looking at my digital camera photos the 2001fp black levels causes some issues with certain photos. Bummer...

[maximusfarticus]

I get mine tomorrow!

[JRW]

After making some adjustments using the videocards settings (brightness/contrast/gamma) I got it looking pretty darn good, I was actualy considering returning it and trying another model but I dont think ill be doing that anymore , the black level could still be better but its acceptable , When looking at both monitors side by side the 2001FP makes my CRT look out of focus and dark in comparison , the 2001FP's picture quality is very impressive to say the least.

It also has no dead pixels or any imperfections that I can see using various test patterns.

[maximusfarticus]

Very awesome to know. What video card are you using?

[JRW]

PNY Geforce 6800GT 256mb.

I just switched my font type from Standard to Cleartype today, it definately makes text look nicer on a LCD display.

[maximusfarticus]

I just got it in the mail. No dead pixels or back light problems, THANK GOD. I was worried about getting into a mess with returns, etc. Anyways, I'm happy to report that there is one more happy customer.

[bigbillyt]

My story is kind of funny really. I ordered one of the 2001Fp monitors for myself for home. After another huge hassle with UPS I finally got the monitor. I hooked it up to my 2.4Ghz Intel box with a NVIDIA 4200 TI 128mb video card. I first tried the DVI connection, then the VGA. I have a Planar 19" LCD hooked up through the DVI connection, so I am pretty familiar with how LCDs work in general. I believe I had a defective unit. I could not get dark areas of the screen to not have massive interference. It was particularly bad when I played DVD movies. I also could not get the brightness, color and contrast to adjust correctly. The stand was broken as well and would not adjust to any position other than all the way up or all the way down. So, after another problem with UPS, I returned it to Dell. To make a VERY long story very short, my customer service experience with Dell was fantastic. Their Indian customer service reps were excellent and followed up after every step to be sure my return was handled perfectly. From return shipping to credit to my bank account in four days! The only bad part was UPS, easily the worst shipping company by far, they have gone so far down hill it is amazing that any large company still uses them. They have been riding on their old reputation for way too long and their business practices and policies leave them as a dinosaur in today's market.

Now for the really funny part. Just a few days after returning the one I bought for home, my company gets me the same monitor for work. HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Now, the one I got at work set up and worked perfectly right out of the box. I purposely chose the VGA connection just to be able to make more adjustments to the screen but the auto-adjust worked perfectly. I did need to update the video driver on the Dell Latitude to get the dual monitor functions to work correclty but it looks really good. I really like 1600x1200, especially for work. I checked out some DVD movies and games on it just to test and it all looks great. I do notice the "screen door effect". It really has to do with your particular vision whether or not you notice it. I am fairly sure it is just because of the screen coating and whether your eyes tend to focus on the face of the screen or the image beneath that layer. It also seems to make a big difference the exact angle my eyes are to the screen in relation to how much I can see the texture of the screen. Dead on it is barely noticable but if I look at it a little off axis it is much more obvious. I am not sure if in the long term it is going to bother my eyes or not. I just got it a couple of days ago and it is too soon to say. If I use the screen for a couple of weeks and it is not an issue, I may try ordering another one from Dell and hope I don't get another bad unit. Shipping was free and they paid for the return shipping so I am not out anything from my first attempt.

[maximusfarticus]

DHL delivered my monitor at 9 am this morning. I couldnt go back to bed, I was so excited. I found it's a ton easier to play with the brightness/contrast/etc. throught your drivers.

[Pez11]

Received my monitor yesterday. Totally blown away by the quality of the image.
It's replacing a 3 year old 19" Viewsonic CRT. No comparison. The Dell is absolutely outstanding. Right out of the box it the image was great, but a little bright. Turned down the brightness to '0'. I'm using a DVI connection with an ATI 9800 Pro. The ATI allows for many tweaks that make the image perfect.
No dead pixels or color leaks.
For 492.00 shipped you cannot beat it.
As for ghosting or the so-called screen door effect. None that I can detect.

While browsing some photos I noticed a red spot in the same place on many photos. At first I was bumming.....a stuck pixel. So I turned off the PC to pout a bit, but then I thought of something.....maybe it was the camera. I used Photoshop’s clone tool, and I was right. It wasn't the monitor. It was the camera. Big sigh of relief. What an idiot to jump to conclusions....the stuck pixel would have shown on the desktop as well. Stupid, but relieved.

[firstadopter]

That's pretty funny, I'm glad it worked out Pez.

[CAG]

Just got an email from Dell that the 2001FP is on sale for $525. I've had mine for going on 2 years...no dead pixels, nothing....still the best panel that I've ever owned...guess its time to belly up to the bar and get another ;)

Tom

[Rogue]

There is also a $60 off 500 coupon from dell - expires after 7000 uses (might already be useless). That brings it down to $464. The code is LZZNW2HFTM0LLM

hmmm. should I buy my 3rd one?????????????/

[JRW]

I ended up returning my 2001FP :( I just couldnt get used to the poor black levels but I do a lot of gaming and like to watch movies every once in awhile.

I ended up buying a Sony FW900 24" Widescreen CRT and must say it is one hell of a display, All of the advantages of a high end CRT in widescreen format :D

Took some shots with my Digicam but of course it looks better in person:

FW900 (http://zenblue.net/ded/fw900/IMG_0656.jpg) on my desk.

FarCry (http://zenblue.net/ded/FW900.jpg) at 1900x1200 res.

Half Life 2 (http://zenblue.net/ded/fw900/HL2_1280x800.jpg)

Gamecube hooked up via VGA (http://zenblue.net/ded/FW900/windwaker.jpg) adapter.

More info on this model here (http://www.sony-cp.com/en/products/crt/f_professional/fw900/index.html)

[firstadopter]

If I was rich and could have a butler who moved equipment for me, I would probably have a huge CRT like that just for gaming.

However my back can't take it. LOL.

Low console resolutions and even stanard TV/DVDs sure look better on CRTs than our LCDs.

But for work and desktop stuff, you can't be the 2001FP. :)

How is Gamecube playing over time and in motion on the Sony CRT?

I used to have a 19" CRT before I got this 2001FP, I loved it also. Before it got old and blurry.

[captainkrusty]

Well, I finally bought the 2001fp and so far it looks great.

A few questions though if anyone can help me.

How do I check for dead pixels and stuck pixels? Also, it seems that my computer has slowed down considerably since I installed the monitor.

I have a 3.2 gh p4 with 1g of ram and a ati 9800 pro with 128mg. I tried half life 2, I didnt notice any ghosting, but my frame rate seems to have dropped quite abit.

Any help would be greatly appreciated and thank you to everyone that has posted so far. I based my decision on this monitor due to the great support and team work from this site

JC

[Rogue]

I have an exec that I downloaded about a year ago. it is called DPB.zip AKA dead pixel buddy.

You can download it from here:

http://www.laptopshowcase.co.uk/downloads.php?id=1

[captainkrusty]

I have an exec that I downloaded about a year ago. it is called DPB.zip AKA dead pixel buddy.

You can download it from here:

http://www.laptopshowcase.co.uk/downloads.php?id=1


Thanks for the site, it looks like Im in luck, no dead pixels. Now, another question :)

When the black screen was on the monitor, there seemed to be alot of light bleed through on the left upper and lower corners of the screen. Is this normal, or something to be concerned about?

Thank you again for all of the help

JC

[Rogue]

Sound like backlight leakage. If it is bad or just bothers you a lot, contact Dell for a replacement. Search this thread for leakage and you will get a couple of hits that you can read.

[stupot42]

Also remember that with a monitor that big that you can't see it all perfectly from the same angle. Try tilting the monitor, or moving your head around to see if it clears up at certain angles. It could just be the angle at which you have your monitor.

[iansmith]

Also, it seems that my computer has slowed down considerably since I installed the monitor. I have a 3.2 gh p4 with 1g of ram and a ati 9800 pro with 128mg. I tried half life 2, I didnt notice any ghosting, but my frame rate seems to have dropped quite abit. Some slowdown on the desktop might be if you were running at a lower resolution before. 1600x1200 is a huge amount of data to throw around.

If you are playing games at the same rez, not sure what would cause that from just a new monitor.

[MIKEYMC]

Hello,

Ive just ordered mine today. Can't wait to get it. I paid £400. Its replacing my old Iiyama E430T. Hope its better performance wise. I know it will be size wise :D

[firstadopter]

Any slowdown is definitely because of the higher 1600x1200 resolution. That's a lot of pixels to move around. When I play games, it really slows down my frame rates at that res. Sigh.

[firstadopter]

Ok guys, just so you know, the Dell 30 inch is on its way: http://www.firstadopter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=722

:)

[MIKEYMC]

Yay its just arrived. No dead pixels yippee :D Its huge.

[Ounce]

Got mine with my new xps the other day, I was very hesitant at first but now I can say I LOVE this monitor... been gaming and doing a lot of things on it, running with a 7800 gtx, looks awesome.

One stuck pixel, against a black background it looks red, I can only see it if I'm looking for it against a black background, not at all worth complaining about.

[EntityAT]

Welcome to the forum, Savage1701 :)

This issue had been covered a few times before in this thread but it is such a long thread that no one can blame you for not finding it. I had this issue with my 2001FP, used the Dell "fix" for ATi cards, and I've never had it since. There have been some mile-long threads on this issue in the Rage3D forums and others and its not just a Dell problem but an issue that also occurs in other mfgr's panels...you just hear about it more with reference to Dell simply b/c Dell sells more panels than anyone else. Moreover, there is a split in opinion as to whether the problem stems soley from the panel or soley from the video card or is a combination of both. Anyway, neither the card mfgr's (Ati and nVidia) nor the panel mfgr's have done much about it simply b/c statistically it doesn't occur that often. To Dell's credit, they have at least posted a fix for it. My personal belief is that it is a random signal synchronization issue between the DVI-connected panel and the card that has always existed but has become more pronounced as the the speed and the resolution of the panels have increased and the speed of the cards has increased.

CAG

Sorry to come to the party late, found this via Google. I'm having problems with intermittent blinking on one port of my Powercolor Radeon x700 dual-DVI card, during certain applications. Is there a fix I can apply to this?

Rob

[EntityAT]

Sorry to come to the party late, found this via Google. I'm having problems with intermittent blinking on one port of my Powercolor Radeon x700 dual-DVI card, during certain applications. Is there a fix I can apply to this?

Rob

I tried the ATI-specific fixes (checking/unchecking boxes, etc) but they don't seem to work. Frustrating. Don't know what the issue is, but I've noticed it seems to follow the port on the video card and not anything else (i.e. if I switch the port the DVI is connected to, I don't have any issues).

Maybe I'm just having a weird video card issue. :|

Rob

[captainkrusty]

Well, Ive had my monitor now for 2 months or so and I love it. Its nice to have room on the desk, and the picture is outstanding.

Now for the problem, within the last week or so, I will be surfing, working with a program and all of a sudden the screen will develop red and green blocks of horizontal lines to the point where you can not read text or see any images.

If I reboot the system, the screen is fine. The problem seems to pop up randomly. The screen can look fine for hours or days, and then bamm, ugly boxes everywhere.

Im hoping its my video card because Im looking to upgrade it anyway, any ideas as to the problem?

Thanks for the help

JC

[Buddahpest]

Well, I hope I didn't make a mistake. I purchased a 19" NEC MultiSync LCD1970GX two weeks ago. I paid $371 shipped. It has that Opticlear coating over the monitor, an 8ms response time, and a max resoultion of 1280x1024. However, I've always wanted a 2001fp. After using the NEC for two weeks, I was really starting to wonder if I should have went with the 2001fp instead. I was able to find one for $339 + $50 for shipping = $389. So for $18 more, I could go to a bigger monitor and a higher resolution. I have an Athlon 64 4000+ and a X800 XT PE, so I think I shouldn't have too much trouble running games at the max resolution, minus some detail settings when need be.

The NEC has a 700:1 contrast ratio, and like I said an 8ms response time. The only drawback is the max res. (1280x1024)

I decided to ditch the NEC and get the 2001fp. Did I make a good decision?

I think for the price that I paid for the 2001fp the deal was too good to pass up.

[spurdy]

Firstly, I apologize if this has already been answered. I started to read through this thread, but when I saw it was nearly 1400 (!) posts, I gave out.

I recently purchased both a 1905FP and a 2001FP, for my wife and myself, respectively. I read glowing reviews (pun intended) of both on various sites, most notably Anandtech.com. I knew both of the displays would be an improvement from the 19" CRTs they were replacing. I would've just bought two of the 1905FPs, but I was greedy and wanted UXGA resolution on mine (and the extra size didn't hurt either).

So, I get the 1905FP set up first. It's connected via DVI to a GeForce4 4400. Tried out Quake 3 just to check the motion blur. While it was noticeable, it wasn't bad. Turned down the brightness via the OSD, as it was a bit high and washing out the black. "Great!" I think "Now on to the bigger and even better!"

Next I set up my 2001FP. This one is connected via DVI to a GeForce 6800GS (main system) and via D-sub VGA to a KVM switch for some other boxes. Beautiful, but something seemed odd with the black. I Looked through the OSD, and it appears that there is no way to control the backlight intensity when using DVI. Oddly, it won't let me change it when I'm selected to D-sub VGA either (maybe because the DVI cable is connected at all?) :(

I'm able to adjust brightness, contrast, saturation, gamma, etc. through the Nvidia drivers, but that only changes the DVI data coming in. Regardless, if I show just a pure black image (I created a 1600x1200 pure black bitmap for this purpose) I can see that the "black" of the 2001FP is a significantly lighter gray than the 1905FP. With the pure black bitmap it stays the same no matter how low I set any driver adjustments.

If there were only a way to turn down the intensity of the actual backlight just a few clicks, I'd be set. Is there any such solution?

Now, I'm just coming off a whole project of buying a new CRT HDTV, which has almost exactly the opposite problem (the blacks are too deep and crushed, losing shadow detail), so maybe I'm just hypersensitive? I don't really see any unevenness in the shade of "black" from the 2001FP. Well, if I move around I can see very slight differences in the corners opposite where my head is, but I think that's just due to changes in viewing angle because it's so darn large. It's just quite a bit brighter than I'd like.

This is literally my only complaint with this monitor, and I really really want to like it and keep it. I'm just worried that if I try to "deal" I'll end up in the situation I'm in now with my new TV (past my retail return window, and now wrestling directly with the manufacturer to return it after trying unsuccessfully to correct several issues). My brother has this exact same monitor, so I plan to ask him to take a look and see if he thinks it's significantly different than his (purchased about a year and a half ago I think).

Also, these are my first LCD monitors for home use, and I've heard that the first CRT to LCD transition is typically the hardest?

Thoughts, tips, advice, or just general consolation welcome. Thanks!

[spurdy]

Heh. Well, I sure feel dumb now.

Looks like I hadn't played around enough with the buttons on the 2001FP. Somehow I didn't catch that pressing the "-" button when not in another menu will indeed bring up the brightness & contrast control for DVI. I had focused only on the menu that comes up with the actual menu button.

Although the contrast control is disabled out for DVI, the brightness is still adjustable, and does actually control the backlight itself (or at least somehow controls the hardware at a more fundamental level, perhaps that's the "zero" point of the LCD gates, whatever, it worked!). If found it defaulted at about 42 (out of 100). After pulling it down to zero the base black is down to an acceptable level. As a bonus, I can leave the video driver settings at default and not have bright elements on the screen be quite so piercing.

So, looks like all is well. Count me as a happy 2001FP owner. Hooray! :)

[blakehew]

Is it possible to have the 1:1 pixel mapping work for widescreen resolutions say 1600X900 or 1280x720. When i set my resolution to 1280x720 and turn on 1:1 pixel mapping i get a screen that is 1280x720 streached verticly to 1280x1024 pixles so everything is skinney. so is the 1:1 only work for 4X3 ratios?

[bullo]

Hi there!!! I'm about to buy a Dell 2001FP monitor. Im planning to use it also as a TV. IT has composite and S-video inputs, but no TV tuner. Anyway, I have my external VCR to switch channels.
My question is this: What Video /TV Standards does this monitor support through S-Video or Composite inputs? NTSC? PAN? BOTH? SECAM?
The manual doesnt say anything about that!!! I've tryed to call Dell, with no response. They just told me:
".....
The horizontal scan range 31 kHz to 80 kHz (automatic) Vertical scan range 56 Hz to 76 Hz, exception 1600 x 1200 at 60 Hz only....."

I live in Argentina. HEre, the tv system is PAL-L.
Please anybody tried the composite /S-video inputs with a PAL country/dvd player/vcr/etc.???

thank you very much!!1

Daniel Bullo

[firstadopter]

This is the blast from the past. I did a ton of research the past few days on buying a new monitor. I'm thinking of buying a digital SLR for the first time and I wanted the best color rendition for photos on a monitor.

So I read up on the all major brands from BenQ, Hann, Viewsonic, NEC, Dell, Samsung, and Apple. Looking at variety of sizes from 20", 24", and 30". For photos and color rendition, the best technology today for under $1K is S-IPS panels. So I looked for all the S-IPS panels available, which are mainly Apple and NEC. Unfortunately NECs and Apples are very expensive. Then I came across this note that some old Dell monitors used S-IPS panels.

And one of the models was the 2001FP. All this time, I was already getting the best color rendition on the planet (not counted the special photography monitors that cost thousands).

That's awesome!