Dell 2001FP 20" LCD Monitor Review

[Chaka]

Well I just got my 2001FP today. So far I'm not real happy with it.
I was hoping this monitor would perform well for gaming but so far it hasn't.

While playing Desert Combat (a Battlefield 1942 mod) the game is too dark, no matter how much I turn up the brightness on the monitor and my ATi control panel (Radeon 9800 Pro 256 megs). I don't notice any ghosting in the game, but if I look side to side the picture kind of lags and skips across the screen. I don't have to move the mouse very fast to notice this.

Also, in the Image Settings for the monitor, there are settings for Pixel Clock, Phase, and Sharpness but I can't access them, they are grayed out. How can I access these options?

The monitor would be great for web browsing and checking email, but I wanted it for gaming too. And considering the price tag it should deliver.

Anyone have any suggestions for tweaking it before I send it back?

-Chaka

[CAG]

Originally posted by Chaka
Also, in the Image Settings for the monitor, there are settings for Pixel Clock, Phase, and Sharpness but I can't access them, they are grayed out. How can I access these options?
http://docs.us.dell.com/docs/monitors/2001fp/en/controls.htm Take note of the modes (DVI-D, S-Video, D-Sub, etc.) in which these options are available. BTW, are you using the DVI connection?

[Rogue]

Well, I've been lurking for a few hours(seems like days) and finally decided to go for it (2001FP). I bought an LG L1720P over the weekend and was amazed by it, but it is too small. I just ordered the 2001FP @ $799. Please Dell, no dead pixals.

CAG, Thanks for all your posts, it really made me feel better about spending this amount of cash.

Now, just waiting for the X800 XT's to come out.

[CAG]

Welcome to the board Rogue :). If you were amazed by the LG L1720P, the 2001FP should blow you away...1600X1200 and alot more real estate.

Again, welcome, and give us your review/impressions when you get it.

CAG

[Chaka]

Originally posted by CAG
http://docs.us.dell.com/docs/monitors/2001fp/en/controls.htm Take note of the modes (DVI-D, S-Video, D-Sub, etc.) in which these options are available. BTW, are you using the DVI connection?

Yes, I'm using the DVI-D connection.

Does that mean the settings I listed earlier aren't available to me?

Thanks for the reply.

[Shaggy]

Hi all,

My 2 cents. I think to use picture and picture you would have to
use another connection on the back on your monitor.

For example you can a feed video signal through the composite or S-video hookup and also have your computer hooked up to the DVI.

Then the monitor (not your video card) will handle both sources
for the picture in picture.

Cheers!

[CAG]

Originally posted by Chaka
Yes, I'm using the DVI-D connection.

Does that mean the settings I listed earlier aren't available to me?

Thanks for the reply.
According to the link I gave you, Pixel Clock and Phase Adjustments are only available for D-Sub input. Sharpness is only available for S-Video and Composite modes, not in D-Sub or DVD-D modes.

[CAG]

Originally posted by Shaggy
Hi all,

My 2 cents. I think to use picture and picture you would have to
use another connection on the back on your monitor.

For example you can a feed video signal through the composite or S-video hookup and also have your computer hooked up to the DVI.

Then the monitor (not your video card) will handle both sources
for the picture in picture.

Cheers!
I think you may be right...its getting pretty late :) ...I'll check it out in the morning.

[CAG]

What PIP is and how to set it up is here http://docs.us.dell.com/docs/monitors/2001fp/en/controls.htm . Scroll down about 2/3 of the page and you'll find it. Shaggy's right that you need 2 inputs: DVD-D or D-Sub for the main screen and S-Video or Composite for the second (PIP) image source.

[otti20vt]

Originally posted by CAG
I think you may be right...its getting pretty late :) ...I'll check it out in the morning.

THX :-)

This monitor is not bad, the PIP size is variable and The Position.

Perfect for my 8-)

Greetings from Switzerland

[oct]

Got my new on 6/1, mutiple dead pixels and even some very light green blotches.
Every thing else is decent except for this dead pixel issue, I replace my with a Planar 19 inch LCD, that one had NO DEAD PIXELS, and Planar has a pure no dead pixel policy, the best in the LCD industry.

On the 2nd day 6/2, a new red dead subpixel pop out new next to the 1st day exisiting blue dead subpixel...

Run the test from
http://www.monitorsdirect.com/toolkit/
also notice a black dead pixel on full blue screen.

Total about 10+ dead pixel + some light dead blotches.

Already made request for replacment, hope this one is better.

BTW, my 2001FP is made in "China", I think this late batcn are really low quality control or the manufacturing procedure have been worsten.

So people with or claim "No Dead Pixel" 2001FP, would you post where your 2001FP is made and when ?
(It tells you on the back sticker)
Thanks
-oct

[paladin]

Originally posted by oct
BTW, my 2001FP is made in "China", I think this late batcn are really low quality control or the manufacturing procedure have been worsten.


I think you may be right both of mine had over 10 dead pixels. They were both made in china as well. I wonder if china is the only manufacturing location or just a new one. Either way I think quality has been reduced recently.

BTW oct how is the screen door effect on your eyes?

[oct]

Originally posted by paladin
I think you may be right both of mine had over 10 dead pixels. They were both made in china as well. I wonder if china is the only manufacturing location or just a new one. Either way I think quality has been reduced recently.

BTW oct how is the screen door effect on your eyes?

Did you return both of yours and got a refund ?
Or you kept one of them or are you waiting for a third ?

As for the SDE, I see very little to none ...

[paladin]

I had two to begin with. I am using one right now, I returned the other for a refund. I’m still debating if i should get a full refund or try to get one with out dead pixels.

My eyes turn the SDE on and off randomly it makes me cringe when I see it. So I am probably going to go for the refund. I do like the monitor though so its a hard choice.

[oct]

Originally posted by paladin
I had two to begin with. I am using one right now, I returned the other for a refund. I’m still debating if i should get a full refund or try to get one with out dead pixels.

My eyes turn the SDE on and off randomly it makes me cringe when I see it. So I am probably going to go for the refund. I do like the monitor though so its a hard choice.

When do you see the SDE and how does it look like ?

So you got like 10 dead pixels on your current one as well ?

Another thing, how did you have to send back the 1st one ?

I notice they charged me $1000+ for the replacement on my Dell online account when I made the call for the replacement today... wtf ? lol...

[CAG]

Originally posted by oct
Got my new on 6/1, mutiple dead pixels and even some very light green blotches.
Every thing else is decent except for this dead pixel issue, I replace my with a Planar 19 inch LCD, that one had NO DEAD PIXELS, and Planar has a pure no dead pixel policy, the best in the LCD industry.

On the 2nd day 6/2, a new red dead subpixel pop out new next to the 1st day exisiting blue dead subpixel...

Run the test from
http://www.monitorsdirect.com/toolkit/
also notice a black dead pixel on full blue screen.

Total about 10+ dead pixel + some light dead blotches.

Already made request for replacment, hope this one is better.

BTW, my 2001FP is made in "China", I think this late batcn are really low quality control or the manufacturing procedure have been worsten.

So people with or claim "No Dead Pixel" 2001FP, would you post where your 2001FP is made and when ?
(It tells you on the back sticker)
Thanks
-oct
Welcome to the forum oct :).

My panel was made in China (October '03 build)...I believe they're all made in China. I'm sure you'll have better luck with the replacement.

CAG

[CAG]

AIDS, SARS, SDE...Its beginning to sound like a disease :confused:

[paladin]

Originally posted by oct
When do you see the SDE and how does it look like ?

So you got like 10 dead pixels on your current one as well ?

Another thing, how did you have to send back the 1st one ?

I notice they charged me $1000+ for the replacement on my Dell online account when I made the call for the replacement today... wtf ? lol...


$1000! that is pretty wtf.

The SDE is just a graininess ite the same as i have seen described by many people. Also the 'sparkle coating' as some call it annoys me a bit, not much though.

Yes first one had 7 stuck green 6 stuck red. the second has 4 stuck green and 10 stuck red. They honestly dont bother me much at all when i see them. I would accept a monitor with 15 bad pixels if it didnt have the screen door. Obviously I want neither though.

I just had dell have ups pick it up from my house. I have to admit Dell has had awesome customer service for me. I wouldnt hesitate to deal with them in the future, maybe a 2002fp? :)

[Rogue]

I'll give Dell this, they ship fast, I ordered it last night around 10:00 and this morning it was shipped from Nashville. Even if I wanted to change my mind, I did not have time too. If I am lucky, it might arrive Friday (St. Louis). I'll be sure to let all of you know when it gets here and how it looks.

[CAG]

This was posted today on the Ars Technica board:

Well, thanks to an ealy Father's Day present I have sitting in front of my face a sweet new Dell 2001FP.

All I can say is "wow". Really... wow.

OK, I can say more. The damned thing is huge, it is very sharp and bright from wide angles, has impressive resolution (I'm running 1600x1200x32 via DVI-D from my ATI Radeon 9800XT) and very nice performance for my FPS gaming addiction (1600x1200 in FarCry - *spoo*).

I was getting concerned for a while reading this thread due to a few folks reporting a "wire mesh" effect and/or grainyness on desktop apps. I'm here to say that I have not experienced either of those conditions. To see any grain, mesh, Moire effect (unless I do this, or other anomolies I must get within 10-12 inches of the screen... and I'm NOT going to do that for very long =P

Anyway, I'm a very happy Dell 2001FP customer.
Pretty much what I thought when I got my 2001FP :)

[DaCypher]

I think its just a matter of taste/preference. Some people can see the SDE while others can not. I am quite sure that there is no technical differences between the monitors on which people see the SDE and those which people don't notice it. Pretty much you'll just have to try it out to see if it fits your needs.

[CAG]

Originally posted by DaCypher
I think its just a matter of taste/preference. Some people can see the SDE while others can not. I am quite sure that there is no technical differences between the monitors on which people see the SDE and those which people don't notice it. Pretty much you'll just have to try it out to see if it fits your needs.
Agreed :)

[ziphnor]

I noticed someone earlier in this thread mentioned that the 2001FP has a 1:1 setting for scaling, so that for example running in 1280x1024 would actually use this number of pixels and just leave some black around the edges. Is this a setting you can just enable and then it will automaticly do this when you change res. or is it something you will have to do each time you change res? Or even better, is it a seperate setting for each resolution?

(People here may think its lunacy to buy an expensive 20" display in order to only use perhaps 17" of it for playing a game, but i rarely play any games, (and mostly strategy games that i can run at 1600x1200), but when i do run a newer game in a lower res. i would prefer not to use scaling, as it nearly always gives a horrible result(which shouldnt be too surprising).)

Btw, this screendoor effect, what exactly does it look like. Maybe my grasp of english is lacking, but i dont know what a screendoor is, and i havent been able to find any description of the effect that could clear it up.

[MailManX]

Originally posted by ziphnor
Btw, this screendoor effect, what exactly does it look like. Maybe my grasp of english is lacking, but i dont know what a screendoor is, and i havent been able to find any description of the effect that could clear it up.

How about a screen over a window? Or maybe some mosquito netting? Think of a very fine mesh screen. Then think of that mesh embedded in the screen of your monitor with the picture coming through it. You'd see the picture, but you'd also see the mesh, if only just slightly.

I can see it on my screen if I'm close to it (less than 2 feet) and only if the screen is all white (or some other light color).

Michael

[CAG]

Originally posted by ziphnor
Btw, this screendoor effect, what exactly does it look like. Maybe my grasp of english is lacking, but i dont know what a screendoor is, and i havent been able to find any description of the effect that could clear it up.
Welcome to the forum ziphnor :)

Its like a soft "wire mesh"/graininess effect. You have to get pretty closed to the screen to see it...some see it while others (like me) don't. I saw it when I first got the monitor and within an hour or so of use, I never noticed it again. I posted a quote (last post on the previous page of this thread) and that pretty much sums up my take on it.

CAG

P.S. I or someone else'll answer your other questions soon...I gotta run now.

EDIT: I just read Michael's post...that pretty much describes it :)

[CAG]

Originally posted by ziphnor
I noticed someone earlier in this thread mentioned that the 2001FP has a 1:1 setting for scaling, so that for example running in 1280x1024 would actually use this number of pixels and just leave some black around the edges. Is this a setting you can just enable and then it will automaticly do this when you change res. or is it something you will have to do each time you change res? Or even better, is it a seperate setting for each resolution?
Go here and scroll down about 1/3 of the page to the Image Settings>Scaling and this should (hopefully) give you the info you need http://docs.us.dell.com/docs/monitors/2001fp/en/controls.htm I've never it used it before but it would appear that once you've enabled the 1:1 option, the screen size adjusts to the whatever the resolution of the input is.

CAG

[TheAngryIntern]

i wonder how i turn mine on....image settings is greyed out in my menu.....hmmmmm

[CAG]

Originally posted by TheAngryIntern
i wonder how i turn mine on....image settings is greyed out in my menu.....hmmmmm
Mine too...Rendition had his working b/c he posted something about scaling a couple of months ago.

Rendition, could you give us a little help on this? Thanks :)

[Bakdok]

Hi all.
New to the forum - started reading it a couple of days ago, which made me want to take the plunge for the 2001FP. Got mine on eBay last nite - paid $771 plus shipping. There were cheaper ones being sold, but they were refurbished. Mine is new (in the box) with Dell's 3 year warranty. Should receive it sometime next week. You guys are just so full of great information - really appreciate ya and would like some advice. I have a Dell Inspiron 8200 laptop (1.8gHz, 784 meg of ddr memory, ATI Radeon 9000 with 64 megs of DDR memory) which has a native resolution of 1200 x 1600 and I play ALOT of UT2004 on it. The display is great, but I really wanted to play more on my desktop. My desktop is currently a VIA 1.8gHz, 512mb DDR memory with a 64 meg Nvidia GeForce 4 MX with a DVI out. I play UT on it now and then (analog of course) and the game runs nice and smooth, but like you guys, I'm tired of staring at a CRT (17"). I was reading the product specs on the Nvidia card last nite and, as far as the DVI-I (or DVI-D - lists both) output is concerned, it states: 1) Integrated Dual-Channel TMDS Transmitters; 2) Supports up to 1280x1024 display resolution. With it supporting only up to 1280x1024, I guess it's obvious I wouldn't be able to use the 2001FP's native resolution of 1200x1600. With what I hear about this fantastic monitor, I want to be able to use it to its full capabilities. So what I'd like to know is if you guys could give me your opinions on a really good graphics card. I do plan on installing another 512mb of ram in the PC within the next week. Hope you can help me out. After I receive the monitor and a new graphics card and connect them, I'll let ya know how everything looks (and plays). Thanks in advance for the info.
Marc.

[CAG]

Hi Marc and welcome to the forum :)

For a video card, I'd go with the ATi 9800 Pro...$163 @ BuyXtremeGear http://www.buyxtremegear.com/r9800pro128.html ...great card and incredible price. Anyway, whatever you get, make sure it supports DVI. Also, before you add anymore RAM, install your card and see how the system performs. I really think that the 512MB you already have is enough.

CAG

EDIT: Also look @ ATi's Radeon 9600 series cards...they're less expensive but should also perform well for you. Specs are here http://mirror.ati.com/products/radeon9600/radeon9600pro/specs.html ...maybe something like the 9600 Pro :)

[TheAngryIntern]

w00t!!!! This thread has over 20,000 views......wow!!!

[CAG]

That's just me hitting the refresh button ;)

[Bakdok]

CAG,
Thanks for the quick response. I'll check 'em out. BTW, do you think there's much of a difference between the 128 meg cards vs. the 256 meg, performance-wise? I'd really like to have excellent performance, especially with the new 2001FP I just purchased?
Thanks, Marc.

[CAG]

Trust me...the 2001FP will perform just fine with a 128MB card.

[Bakdok]

Thanks again CAG. It's really great (and re-assuring) to know there are those like you out there for someone to turn to who needs answers when they otherwise would have a hard time finding them.
Thanks once again. You have a great forum here and I look forward to more correspondence,
Marc.

[CAG]

Marc, give us your impressions of the monitor when you get everything set up :)

CAG

[firstadopter]

ziphor, 1:1 scaling you have to set manually using the buttons on front.

It works perfectly fine here, although the window seems small compared to the full 1600x1200.

However I will note that a couple people on here haven't been able to get it to work as it's greyed out option for them. Mine works fine.

[oct]

Got My 2nd 2001FP replacment today,
its worst than the 1st one, 10 dead color pixel and 1 black dead pixel and counting...

I am begin to wonder if there is even a 2001FP with no dead pixel out there...

"Made in China" = Junk QC.

I am kind of nit picking since the dead pixels are so small, but you pay for a new $1000 LCD you expect a better product.

Either going try another replacement or just get a refund.

[ziphnor]

Originally posted by MailManX
How about a screen over a window? Or maybe some mosquito netting? Think of a very fine mesh screen. Then think of that mesh embedded in the screen of your monitor with the picture coming through it. You'd see the picture, but you'd also see the mesh, if only just slightly.

I can see it on my screen if I'm close to it (less than 2 feet) and only if the screen is all white (or some other light color).

Michael

Okay, i think i get it now. My (old) Laptop TFT display has something similar i think. The pixels seem to be spaced a little bit apart. Actually that always gave me the impression of a sharper display, since i could tell each pixel apart as a perfect square. (im also the type of person that disables ClearType when using LCD displays because i think it makes the text fuzzy).
Of course, thats a 1024x768 display, so it might seem alot different in 1600x1200 :)
Is this effect something specific to the Dell monitor, or is also seen on say HP L2035, Phillips 200P4, and ViewSonic VP201(which ive heard uses the same panel)?
But still, the 30 days return policy of Dell seems to give the best chance of exposing any dead pixels.

[CAG]

Originally posted by oct
Got My 2nd 2001FP replacment today,
its worst than the 1st one, 10 dead color pixel and 1 black dead pixel and counting...

I am begin to wonder if there is even a 2001FP with no dead pixel out there...

"Made in China" = Junk QC.

I am kind of nit picking since the dead pixels are so small, but you pay for a new $1000 LCD you expect a better product.

Either going try another replacement or just get a refund.
I'd go for another shot at a replacement but regardless of whether you get it replaced or go for the refund, I'd certainly let Dell know how upset you are about this string of junk panels you've been getting...I've found that if you make enough noise with Dell, they'll take of you.

Let us know how it works out for you.

[CAG]

Originally posted by Dark Man X
Question... I use my computer as a TV (Like I said I download movies and TV series'), and I usually put it on and night and fall asleep with it... My bed is pretty low, and my computer is relatively high, so will the picture get darker like most LCD's when you tilt your head? Also, is it too bright that it will light up my room at night and I won't be able to fall asleep?

Yeah, I know wierd question... But hey o_O.
Dark Man X, if you're still following this thread, here's an app I found that'll shut down your PC automatically. I haven't tried it but it seems that you can set the time you want it to shut down (or turn on) and you're good to go http://www.driverheaven.net/cleaner/tools.htm :D

CAG

[CAG]

Originally posted by ziphnor
Is this effect something specific to the Dell monitor, or is also seen on say HP L2035, Phillips 200P4, and ViewSonic VP201(which ive heard uses the same panel)?
But still, the 30 days return policy of Dell seems to give the best chance of exposing any dead pixels.
I assume you're referring to the so-called screendoor effect. I don't know about other panels but, like most posters have said, you really need to get the monitor and judge for yourself.

As for the 30-day return policy, make sure you read the packing invoice/info when you get the monitor...I recently got a Dell Dimension 8300 for my son and the packing info said I had 21 days from the date of "shipment", not 30 days from the date of "ordering" (which is what I had assumed to be the case). Bottom line: read the stuff you get and make no assumptions about how much time you have if you want to make a return. ;)

CAG

[CAG]

Originally posted by Rendition
ziphor, 1:1 scaling you have to set manually using the buttons on front.

It works perfectly fine here, although the window seems small compared to the full 1600x1200.

However I will note that a couple people on here haven't been able to get it to work as it's greyed out option for them. Mine works fine.
Still trying to figure out why mine is greyed out...I never use it but I'd like to know that it works...I'll work on it this weekend.

[ziphnor]

Originally posted by CAG
...
As for the 30-day return policy, make sure you read the packing invoice/info when you get the monitor...

CAG

Thats good advice, turns out they only give 14 days, which is required by law here in Denmark on all internet/mail order purchases. Unfortunately when you view the monitor on their website and choose "Services and support" you end up at a pagesaying 30 days, but this page is only for stuff sold by dell, but not MADE by dell, not very clever.

Originally posted by Rendition However I will note that a couple people on here haven't been able to get it to work as it's greyed out option for them. Mine works fine.

According to the documentation for the OSD i was refered to 1:1 should be available no matter if you use D-sub or DVI. Perhaps its disabled when you are in 1600x1200, and only shows up after changing res?

Btw, do anyone happen to know if the ViewSonic VP201 supports this 1:1 scaling. Im just asking because it seems almost identical to the 2001FP and is actually slightly cheaper currently where i am(and i havent seen anyone mention SDE, though i seriously doubt it would bother me).

[CAG]

Originally posted by ziphnor
According to the documentation for the OSD i was refered to 1:1 should be available no matter if you use D-sub or DVI. Perhaps its disabled when you are in 1600x1200, and only shows up after changing res?

Btw, do anyone happen to know if the ViewSonic VP201 supports this 1:1 scaling. Im just asking because it seems almost identical to the 2001FP and is actually slightly cheaper currently where i am(and i havent seen anyone mention SDE, though i seriously doubt it would bother me).
My image settings are greyed out...I'll give changing the res. a try tonight and let you know. As for the Viewsonic VP201B/S, its the same LG-Philips panel...personally, I like Dell's monitor stand style/arrangement better.

[ziphnor]

Originally posted by CAG
My image settings are greyed out...I'll give changing the res. a try tonight and let you know. As for the Viewsonic VP201B/S, its the same LG-Philips panel...personally, I like Dell's monitor stand style/arrangement better.

Thanks!
As for the ViewSonic, i tend to agree that the Dells design is better (though both are very well designed), but the VS is a bit cheaper, and no one is complaining about SDE and finally they say the edge of the screen is 0.67 inches, while the Dell is 0.7 inches according to specs :) Of course there may not be any actual difference ;) On the other hand Dells dead pixel policy is slightly better, but for me, even one dead pixel is a disaster.

[TheAngryIntern]

Aha!!!! I've figured it out, CAG. In order to view the image settings thing, you must have the resolution set to less than 1600x1200 in windows. It just occured to me as I sat here that that might be a solution, so I gave it a try, and sure enough! The only option I was able to mess with was choosing 1:1, fill, or aspect. I've left it set on 1:1 to see if I play a game at less than 16x12 if it will automatically resize.

[ziphnor]

Originally posted by TheAngryIntern
Aha!!!! I've figured it out, CAG. In order to view the image settings thing, you must have the resolution set to less than 1600x1200 in windows. It just occured to me as I sat here that that might be a solution, so I gave it a try, and sure enough!

Hehe, actually i suggested that in my post above :)

Btw, i read a user review of the ViewSonic VP201 at edbpriser.dk(danish) and he also mentions the mesh net effect, so i guess its just something that comes with the specific panel used.

Is it correct that the L2035 also uses this panel? Because we have 5 of those at work(i *think*, they may be L2025) and i have never noticed any mesh.
( Which reminds me to check them for dead pixels :) )

[CAG]

Thank you ziphnor and TAI both for suggesting it (great minds think alike :D) and thank you TAI for following thru and confirming it :D I never use this feature but I'm very happy to know that my monitor ain't broke and works (or, as the case may be, doesn't work) like every other monitor. Of course, this (to me, anyway) raises some other questions: Why doesn't Dell document this stuff, and what a stupid way configure the scaling!?:confused:

[Rogue]

I got my 2001FP today -yea, now the bad part - looks like I have a bunch of stuck sub-pixels (at least according to the montorsdirect callibrator. I can see at least 20 green and 7+ red plus some blue. This sux. My questions is what does Dell define as a bad pixel? According to the callibrator, a pixel is three subpixels in a row? Can't say that I have seen any of those - yet. REV A00 - Made in China.

[Shaggy]

Hi Rogue,

I'd go ahead and have Dell send a replacement since they'll do it "no questions asked" unless the dead pixels (or sub pixels) don't bother you.

-Shag

[Rogue]

Shaggy,

Thanks for the info. I don't know that they visually bother me so much as irritate me cause I shelled out 800 bucks for this and I expect better for that much money. Right now, I am going to sit back and play and see how I like this monster monitor. Unfortunately I can only use the D-SUB hookup right now, I'm waiting for the X800 XT's to come out. Then the real fun begins.

Maybe I'll hook up my TIVO using the s-video and check out the PIP.

[ziphnor]

Well then, seems that i have most of my concerns out of the way, except one.

I have a Creative Geforce 4 4600 with DVI output, but i havent go a clue if its able to do 1600x1200, and im certainly not going to run D-SUB with a 20" TFT!
So i was wondering, who is using DVI at 1600x1200, and with which cards?

Im not too happy about buying a new vid card, mostly because the 4600 is plenty fast enough, but also because its part of the watercooling in my computer. Luckily the cooling block im using should also fit most of the FX series.

[CyrusT]

I'm using it with a GF 4 ti4400 and have no problems at 16X12. Not running any fast games though.

[ziphnor]

Originally posted by CyrusT
I'm using it with a GF 4 ti4400 and have no problems at 16X12. Not running any fast games though.

I read some DVI compliance tests, and i think the DVI capabilities might not depend on the GPU, but rather on a chipset chosen by the boardmaker. Which brand is your card? Mine is a "Creative Graphics Blaster" or something like that.

"DVI compliance shootout":
http://www.extremetech.com/print_article/0,1583,a=110973,00.asp

[catgut]

First off, thanks to everyone who has been sharing all their info and experiences. Y'all helped convince me to get a 2001FP.

I just received mine on Friday 6/4/04. I bought the black 2001FP new (not refurbished) direct from Dell. I received 2 days after I ordered it; apparently Dell shipped it from a warehouse in NJ where I live.

This is my first LCD monitor ever. Previously I had a Dell 19" CRT.

I bought this for dual duty for both my PC and my xbox.

My PC has is running windows 2000 with an older Geforce 2 GTS Video card with a D-Sub Analog VGA connector. With this setup, the native resolution of the 2001FP at 1600x1200 looks so bad that I can't use it.

The screen does appear to have a very fine grid overlayed on it, and there is a lot of blurring/ghosting with the text (faint shadow like images appear to the right of text).

I took the resolution down to 1280 x 1024 and it is much better. There is still a hint of the grid, but it's not as noticeable and the ghosting is gone.

I plan to upgrade my video card soon to one with a DVI connector, so hopefully the clarity of the native resolution will improve with that setup.

Also, I run my video through a Belkin SOHO KVM switch, so there is a possibility that the switch introduces interference, but I doubt it.

At 1280 x 1024 the monitor seems to have fairly even brightness and color. I don't see color/brightness variation when looking at any one spot, but when looking at the monitor as a whole I definitely get the impression that it is brighter at the center and then fades towards the images. Barely noticeable, but I do notice it.

I ran through the monitorsdirect.com calibrator could not find one single dead and/or frozen pixel. I spent several minutes scrutinizing each of the different color screens and could not find a single wayward pixel. I think my screen has zero dead pixels. If it does have any, I can not see them.

On to the xbox:

I run my xbox with a Neoya X2VGA adapter which I previously used with my 19" CRT:

http://www.x2vga.com/

I highly recommend this if you have an xbox and PC monitor, but don't have an HDTV. Halo played in 480p resolution looks amazing. Here's a list of xbox games that support this High Def mode:

http://www.hdtvarcade.com/xboxlist.htm

With the 2001FP, I'm really, really happy. Xbox games in 480p are bright and ultra sharp. If I didn't know I was running the xbox, I'd swear I was looking at a PC game run off of a high end graphics card. I can not detect any blurring or smearing at all, even when rapidly turning in Halo and causing fast screen updating.

The only slight downside to the 2001FP versus my old CRT is that 480i would at least "sort of" display on the CRT (albeit with wavy/fuzzy lines and distorted picture). With the 2001FP, the screen stays blank until the xbox switches into 480p mode. Effectively, this means that the screen just stays blank until the xbox's opening "flubber" animation is over.

I've also tried the xbox running non-480p games via the Svideo connection on the 2001FP. It's acceptable, but I think Svideo xbox games looks better on my TV than on the 2001FP. It may have to do with the fact that the 2001FP may be defeating a lot of the anti-aliasing tricks that game developers used with the expectation that the game would be played on a Tube, not an LCD.

I haven't tried running any other svideo source other than the xbox yet, I haven't tried composite video at all, and I haven't tried picture in picture yet. I'll report back once I have.

Anyway, at this point this monitor is a keeper. I'm happy with it.

[firstadopter]

Congrats catgut on getting a no dead pixel 2001FP! Welcome aboard.

I recommend everyone to get a new 2001FP directly from Dell. I have a feeling that the used ones and the ones on eBay are much more likely to have deal pixels (probably from returns).

Plus it really doesn't cost that much more to buy the new one.

[firstadopter]

I recommend 2001FP wholeheartedly for DVI equipped PCs at 1600x1200 resolutions.

Lower resolutions and non-DVI and even videogame consoles (I tried Gamecube, and the results weren't that good), you shouldn't use the 2001FP in my humble opinion for primary use.

[CAG]

Originally posted by catgut
I plan to upgrade my video card soon to one with a DVI connector, so hopefully the clarity of the native resolution will improve with that setup.
Welcome to the forum and thanks for the detailed review :) No question that you'll see improvements...this is a whole different monitor on DVI.

CAG

[oct]

New from Dell dont mean Jack.

10+ dead pixel from both new from Dell.

3rd one coming next week.

It will be the last one.

[CyrusT]

Which brand is your card? Mine is a "Creative Graphics Blaster" or something like that.


My graphics card is a VisionTek Xtacy GF4ti4400.

Image quality on the 2001FP is outstanding. I read all the reviews here and at anandtech with skepticism. This is my first LCD. Now that I've used it a few days I'm really glad I ordered one while it was on sale. Colors are more vivid, text is sharper, and I now have much more desk space with a larger screen!
I went from a Samsung SyncMaster 9000IFT (19 inch crt).

I can see the SDE, but it's not an issue with me. I have to remind myself it's there, bring my head closer to the screen, and refocus my eyes to even see it.

[CAG]

Originally posted by oct
New from Dell dont mean Jack.
I think what Rendition was referring to was the warranty protection you get with buying "new"...had you gotten your 1st panel from a 3rd party seller, you'd probably be stuck with it. Having said that, I gotta believe your 3rd panel will be OK...if it isn't...well, let me know :mad: :mad:

[oct]

Wouldn't you like to know ?

Yea, I said enough about this already.

The 3rd one will be the last, I will make a
decision to keep it or get the refund depending on how the dead pixels turn out...

If I do refund it, I wont get another Dell LCD again, their standard (money stiuation) is
not the best.

Don't get me wrong though, I would still buy a LCD from then, just not theirs.... LOL!

[Rogue]

OK all you 2001 FP owners out there. I have a real simple question, sorry. Do you really surf the web at 1600x1200. I am not sure that I can continue to put up with this resolution for normal everyday use. That was my biggest reservation about buying this thing. Is there any way to make this a bit more readable?

Thanks

[firstadopter]

Rogue, I absolutely LOVE surfing with the 2001FP, at 1600x1200 you can have 2 windows open at fully glory.

Plus if the text size is too small, you can always make it larger using the Internet Explorer settings.

Honestly web surfing is one of the biggest advantages of the 2001FP.

Much recommended.

[Rogue]

Rendition,


Thanks for the reply, when you talk about the IE settings, do you mean the font settings in Windows? Sorry for being a noob, but I really want to keep this hardware.

[mspeed]

In Win XP Pro, I hold down the Ctrl key and scroll the mouse wheel to get the text just right.

I wound up buying the ViewSonic VP201b. No dead pixels so far, but it definitely blurs the backgrounds in FPS games when you are moving side to side, just as the movie link shows that was posted about 40 pages back. Games look extraordinary, as long as the blurry backgrounds when moving don't bother you. I think the blurring is a bit worse than on my 5 year old 19 inch ViewMate CRT.

I've been trying to find a utility that will measure response time, to make sure I'm actually getting 16ms, but so far no luck. At least I can't find anything that says it definitely will measure response time. I don't like the blurring, but everything else is just so amazing looking that so far I'm able to put up with it.

[ziphnor]

Originally posted by mspeed

I've been trying to find a utility that will measure response time, to make sure I'm actually getting 16ms, but so far no luck. At least I can't find anything that says it definitely will measure response time. I don't like the blurring, but everything else is just so amazing looking that so far I'm able to put up with it.

Are you using the DVI or the analog D-sub connector?
Using the D-sub connector seems to worsen blurring on some monitors according to some reviewers.

Not that i would know for sure, since i dont even have an LCD monitor yet :)

[mspeed]

I'm using the DVI connector, but thanks for the suggestion.

[monkeydust]

I've gotten used to everything I griped about earlier in my posts here. I don't notice the screendoor effect anymore.

The thing kinda bugging me now, which is an issue with all LCD's, is that the blacks aren't dark enough. Playing a game like Thief 3 which is very dark doesn't look that great. But, I doubt that it is much better on any other LCD.

[dpnaugle]

Yea I can't wait to get my 2001FP. But Dell is as slow as shipping service as I have ever experienced. I ordered mine on 27May04 and still have not received a tracking number. I guess you just don't want to order something before a 3 day weekend. I am hoping it comes before Thursday
(Which would make it 2 WEEKS?) I am getting a little pissed.

DN

[ziphnor]

Well, i guess im going to get a 2001FP too :)

The only real competitor is the ViewSonic, but ViewSonic needs 11 dead pixels(their faq says "the limit" is 10) vs. 6 at Dell to declare the product faulty.

Im moving very soon(before end of june) though, so ill probably restrain myself from purchasing it until after ive relocated. No sense in carrying it around yourself, even if its only 8.5 kg, it might get damaged! :)

Apart from dead pixel hell my only worry is the DVI capabilities of my Creative GF4600 card.
So if anyone has more to say on this, be assured im still listening in!

[ziphnor]

Originally posted by mspeed
I'm using the DVI connector, but thanks for the suggestion.

I think a slight blurring might be very common for any LCD, but if you are seeing alot, i can only think of two other things:

1. DVI problem: According to the DVI compliance tests on the net, some vid. cards wont run at full DVI speed needed for 1600x1200(162Mhz), but might display properly anyway using a "reduced blanking interval". I havent got a clue about these things, but it seems to me that this sounds like something that could cause things like image blur?

2. Have you tried experimenting with VSYNC in your games? Perhaps limiting the framerate(by enabling it) can help?

[mspeed]

Hmmm, some good thoughts there, ziphnor, especially about the vertical sync. I'll try it. Anyone know if my 9800 Pro is running at 162MHz at 1600x1200?

[CAG]

mspeed,

You might want to install the Rage3D Tweak here http://www.rage3d.com/index.php?node=r3dtweak for ATi cards...its been around a while and it'll tell you what your cards clock speeds are and allow you to tweak/OC your card. I don't know if it'll tell you what your clock speeds are at any particular monitor resolution...AFAIK your clock speeds don't change with different resolutions. But I really don't know alot about that stuff.

CAG

[CAG]

Originally posted by dpnaugle
Yea I can't wait to get my 2001FP. But Dell is as slow as shipping service as I have ever experienced. I ordered mine on 27May04 and still have not received a tracking number. I guess you just don't want to order something before a 3 day weekend. I am hoping it comes before Thursday
(Which would make it 2 WEEKS?) I am getting a little pissed.

DN

Hi DN...Not to worry you unecessarily but Dell usually has these things to the customer w/in 3 business days. If it doesn't show up tomorrow, give them a call.

CAG

[mspeed]

Thanks for the link, CAG. I know the card is clocked at 380MHz core and 700MHz memory, and you're right about the monitor's resolution not making any difference in these areas, although it does affect frame rate, of course. I just thought, as always seems to be the case, that there was something more I needed to learn about this here 'puter thang. I'm not looking to overclock the card yet.

I did go in and enable V-Sync, which the ATI control panel calls, "Wait for V-Sync", but it didn't make any difference in the blurring background effect. I could swear it made the colors a little richer, but that could just be my imagination. Or what the modders on my car forum call, going by the butt dyno.

Anyway, thanks to you guys for making the suggestions. I'm still looking for a utility or maybe a benchmarking app that will measure the true response time of my monitor. Display Mate will measure all kinds of parameters and help you set up the monitor, but the description on their Web site says nothing about measuring this value. I've checked Maximum PC's site, and Tom's, and AnanTech, etc., but nothing so far on how they measure response time.

[ziphnor]

Originally posted by CAG
mspeed,

You might want to install the Rage3D Tweak here http://www.rage3d.com/index.php?node=r3dtweak for ATi cards...its been around a while and it'll tell you what your cards clock speeds are and allow you to tweak/OC your card. I don't know if it'll tell you what your clock speeds are at any particular monitor resolution...AFAIK your clock speeds don't change with different resolutions. But I really don't know alot about that stuff.

CAG

The 162 Mhz i mentioned is the frequency of the DVI signal, which is unrelated to the GPU operating frequency.

[catgut]

Quick question:

I'm planning on attending a few lan parties with the 2001FP.

Anyone have some suggestions for a "transport case" for this screen? I'd like to get something to put it in to minimize any shocks/banging around inside my jeep. Maybe one of those aluminum cases with the foam inside?

[firstadopter]

The box it came in was pretty nicely cushioned. The sucky part is you have to detach the screen from the base each time.

[ziphnor]

Originally posted by mspeed
Anyway, thanks to you guys for making the suggestions. I'm still looking for a utility or maybe a benchmarking app that will measure the true response time of my monitor. Display Mate will measure all kinds of parameters and help you set up the monitor, but the description on their Web site says nothing about measuring this value. I've checked Maximum PC's site, and Tom's, and AnanTech, etc., but nothing so far on how they measure response time.

I think you will be hard pressed to find a real (software)benchmark of this.
The thing is, the program running on the computer really doesnt have any way of telling whether there is blurring on the screen or not. What you need is a program where you can control the framerate. You could then find the approx. framerate where the blurring starts to be apparent(to you that is, making it entirely subjective) and calculate backwards from there how long that is between frames.
You should also be aware that the response time depends on what colors the pixel is changing between( http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1918&p=10 ).

[Johnny Postman]

Finally got another replacement 2001fp and I'll give credit to Dell this time in that it does have fewer(5) dead pixels than the original(8) and way less that the first replacement(couple dozen).

Unfortunately, one is smack in the middle at eye-level and it's a completely dead pixel so there's a black dot that's always there and annoying the heck out of me. That and the fact that this replacement is a refurbished monitor showing some use means back it goes. I'm not giving up yet and here's hoping the 4th times a charm. :-)

[oct]

I finally got Dell to ship my 3rd one (2nd rep), what a pain in the butt! They cancel my order on 6/4 wtf!

Well the CS guy told me even if I ran out of my 21 day Total satifaction period, I will still be able to return it, so this will be my last one to try! Hope 3rd time is a charm for me!

[TheAngryIntern]

good luck

/me crosses my fingers!!!

[dpnaugle]

Well after almost 2 weeks Dell finally got me my 2001fp. Ill telly you what airbourne express pretty much sucks. they pickes it up on the Jun 3rd I got it on the 8th. The kicker is thast o oredered it on the May 26th. All that aside, Wow what a monitor. its looks great. no dead pixels. great color. DVD's play a little hazy. hoping to clean that up a bit. all in all very satisfied.

DN

[firstadopter]

Congrats dpnaugle! Esp with no dead pixel monitor. Welcome to the club!

[Rogue]

I received my replacement 2001FP today and from what I can tell so far, not one dead pixel or sub-pixel . Dell & UPS really outdid themselves by shipping it from Nashville and delivering to me in St. Louis in under 18 hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want to play around with this a bit more, but it sure looks like Dell will be keeping my money.

I figure if I keep this for the length of the warranty, it'll cost me less than $1 a day. What a deal.

Dell's customer service is superb. Not any hassle at all getting a replacement. (Well except for the additonal $1000 charge they made for the replacement, but I EXPECT that to be removed when they get the first monitor back)

Now where can I get an X800 XT at??????

[TheAngryIntern]

congrats dp and rogue. No dead pixels is awesome. I've still got only really one, and the only time i notice it is when the screen is all black, so i'm totally satisfied with my 2001FP.

And about the X800XT, i think you might be waiting a bit, since the regular X800 Pro is still in preorders or in very very limited quantities. If I had to guess I'd say you could get the X800XT by mid to late july.

[Rogue]

Thanks, Yeah I know about the X800 pro and X800 XT. it is going to be real hard not to buy a pro when I see one. After all, Best Buy has a 30 day no questions asked return policy. Unlike CrapUSA that charges you 15% restocking. I hate them.

[TheAngryIntern]

Originally posted by Rogue
Thanks, Yeah I know about the X800 pro and X800 XT. it is going to be real hard not to buy a pro when I see one. After all, Best Buy has a 30 day no questions asked return policy. Unlike CrapUSA that charges you 15% restocking. I hate them.

which is why i buy most of my computer stuff either online or at Fry's

[CAG]

Rogue and dpnaugle,

Congrats on your dead-pixel-free panels :D ...after some of your first few posts, I was beginning to wonder if any were left. Make sure you vote in the poll.

To all,

After tomorrow, I'm gonna be away until ~Thrusday...a death in THE FAMILY (I'm Italian...Sicilian to be exact...so don't mess with this mod...I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE ;)). Seriously, my favorite aunt passed away earlier today :(

Later,

CAG

[TheAngryIntern]

sorry for your loss CAG....

[Rogue]

CAG - Very sorry for your loss...................

[firstadopter]

Your aunt are in our prayers. Sorry for your loss.

[Rogue]

Oh man, I should have never have done this. Just for S&Gs, I looked for one of my old PCI video cards and found a Matox Mystique (hot at the time, what did I know). So I put it in my PC and hooked up the first 2001FP I received. 2x20 inches is pure bliss. Now I don't want to send the first one back. God this is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think I could even live with the dead pixels this way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

heheheh

[CAG]

Thank you all very much for your kind thoughts...it is very much appreciated.

CAG

[jhe]

Hello,

When I connect my FP 2001 and Creative 3D Blaster FX5900 Ultra with the

DVI cable, I get black screen until the windows driver starts.

If I connect with the analog cabel, there is no problem.

I have a message on the screen call "Can not display this mode".

I can't see BIOS with the DVI cabel, does any know about this problem ?

Jesper

[TheAngryIntern]

it's probably that pesky bug again....although most people noted it happening with ATI cards, not nVidia cards. Here's what you do: Reconnect with the DVI cable and make sure you push the source button (the farthest left button) until the DVI mode is enabled (it's the 2nd light on mine), the other modes are RGB, S-video, and composite video. if it still won't display when windows starts, try turning the monitor off and then back on.....that usually works for me. Hope this helps ya!!!

edit: BTW, welcome to the forum!!!

[oct]

Just got my 2nd rep.
It's the older verison made Feb/2004, older CD (Aug/2003) and Older Box.

Actually it looks to have no dead pixel intiailly and I was suspecting that the older buiilt was better, but after careful inspection 2 hrs after turn on, there is about 6 dead pixel. Only one of them was noticable.

I still think the older built is better quallity and I am probably going to keep this one since I am sick of returning and this one's dead pixel is not that bad...

Good Luck to all others trying to get a good one...

[Rad]

I've read this thread so many times I feel like I know you guys already!

I have 2 2001FP's coming on the day after tomorrow. I'll be replacing 2 aging Sony G500 21" monitors that I run in pairs. Lately the right sony monitor has become so faded and getting horizontal lines zig-zagging across the screen. Time to replace!

I'm a graphic designer by trade, and game dev (and player) by hobby, so hopefully these will do the trick for me. All of the specs are there, but I'm a little nervous about the "Screen-Door" effect and getting true colors to compare with output. Dead pixels are also a big concern... Keeping my fingers crossed on that one.

I got my new Maximum PC yesterday and found a huge picture of the 2001FP in the "WatchDog" section. It was titled This Month: The WatchDog goes after.... Phisherman, Romtec, Spybot, & Dell Montiors... hahah, my heart dropped!. This has always been a favorite monitor of this publication. Come to find out that a writer was talking about the DVI bug. In the reply, it says Dell is aware of a problem with Nvidia based cards and has a solution if you call them. I'll scan and post later. I hope I'm OK, since I will be running this off of a Radeon 9800 for a few months until I find an X800 or 6800 with Dual DVI for sale.

Speaking of Dual DVI.... I can't believe that the strongest card I could find in Dual DVI was an FX 5700 Ultra. This is unless you want to spend $3K on a workstation card. I decided to just keep this on the 9800 with DVI and Analog runnig together until a solution was available. What is everyone else using that has a Dual 2001FP setup????

Anyway, wish me luck, I'll be posting a full review here after I get these. I'm hoping to be able to capture this screen door effect with my studio camera if it's evident on mine.

[Rad]

Scanned the Maximum PC Article I mentioned in my other post:

http://www.autoadart.com/2001FP_MaxPC.jpg (341kb)

[TheAngryIntern]

Originally posted by Rad
Speaking of Dual DVI.... I can't believe that the strongest card I could find in Dual DVI was an FX 5700 Ultra. This is unless you want to spend $3K on a workstation card. I decided to just keep this on the 9800 with DVI and Analog runnig together until a solution was available. What is everyone else using that has a Dual 2001FP setup????


are you mad???? most of us could barely afford one 2001FP, let alone 2!!!! I did have a temporary dual 2001FP set up when i received my replacement before i sent back teh bad one. I just hooked the other one up to the analog on my 9800XT. It wasnt' great on teh analog one, but it was cool to have that much screen real estate, if only for a short time.

[MailManX]

You don't have to be mad, just rich. Come to think of it, I'm mad that I'm not rich.

[firstadopter]

I'm not rich. I'm not mad. I rather be just rad. Lol.

[ziphnor]

Regarding Dual DVI, wouldnt it be easier to just use 2 graphics cards? If you mostly use the dual monitor for non-3d related work, a relatively cheap PCI card should do just fine. If you play games using both monitors this is of course a horrible idea :)

Anyway you CAN get a more powerful dual dvi card:
http://www.pny.com/products/verto/geForce6/6800ultra.asp
"Dual 400MHz RAMDACs
Blazing-fast RAMDACs support dual QXGA displays with ultra-high, ergonomic refresh rates–up to 2048x1536@85Hz.

Dual Single-Link DVI Support
Able to drive the industry’s largest and highest resolution flat-panel displays. "


This probably costs alot, but if you got enough money for 2x2001fp then it shouldnt be a problem :)

[TTT]

This has probably been asked here b4 (but i'm new =)

I just got a 2001FP a few weeks back, and i'm not happy with the amount of dead pixels.

I ordered it from Dell Small Biz on May 26
My Invoice states May 27
and I received it June 1.

I am just wondering how long is the warranty (i think they told me 21 days) is that from the invoice date or the date i received it?

If I were to have the monitor replaced, would my warranty be extended (lets say after i get the "new" replacement) i don’t want to keep the monitor AT ALL, would i get my money back or i'm stuck with it?

Thank You.

PS so far i'm getting no were with Dell support (first the tech guy told me to speak to cust rep. then the cost. rep. told me to speak to warrenty dept.)

[Rogue]

TTT,

If you check the small print, I think it will tell you what you want to know. I purchased mine through the small business operation and have 21 days from the invoice date to return it. I’m subject to a 15% return fee, but I’ve heard that if you are lucky, that might be waved, but I don’t know for sure.

I had to have my first monitor replaced and had no problems whatsoever with customer service. I called 1-800-456-3355 and chose the option for a company with 3500 employees or less. I told them that I had a bunch of stuck sub-pixels and wanted to exchange it for a different one. I had a new replacement monitor within 4 business days. No dead pixels yet

Here is a link to Dell’s Total Satisfaction Return Policy
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/policy/en/policy?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&~section=010&~ck=mn

[msduncan]

Hey guys,

My lovely and gracious wife has bought me a 2001fp for my birthday (with the help of some relatives pitching in). I'll get it on the 27th.

Question:
I know LCD's run better in their native resolution. I know that the 2001fp's native is 1600X1200.

So in a few months when new games come out that push hardware limits... and my machine will no longer acceptably run the games in 1600x1200... will I suffer because the monitor won't be able to handle resolutions at 1280, etc?

I'm confused about this...

Thanks guys!

[Rogue]

msduncan,

My opinion and my opinion only. I've had my 2001FP for a couple of weeks and can't play in 1600 x1200 due to my current video card. I am playing Halo and Far Cry in 1024 x 768 and 1280 x 1024 and am extremely happy with it (although that is going to change as soon as I get my hands on an X800 XT). Oh yeah, I'm running analog instead of DVI too. I expect to be blown away when I can get to the upper limit. I think you will very happy with your new panel.

[Zatar]

Every 6 months or so since flat panel monitors were invented I've taken a look at what's available and decided that it wasn't yet time to buy one.

This time, although they have a ways to go yet, I've decided to buy this one. I realize there will probably be some ghosting in FPS games but I'm not really that picky and figure I won't notice it that much.

I've read this whole thread and now I'm just waiting for it to go on sale again. I was waiting last Wednesday when everything turned to 10% off but I'm holding out for a better deal. Let's see what happens tonight!

[Zatar]

This week's sale: Save 10% on Select Electronics & Accessories!

Kind of a downgrade from last weeks save 10% on everything. 2001FP back up to $999. Drat.

Maybe next week!

[FatsoElvis]

DELL 2001fp

someone please tell me if pornos look good on this monitor

I'll be watching a lot of DVDs

[Shaggy]

Nice!

[firstadopter]

I popped in my Toy Story DVD. :) DVDs look great, especially in a window that matches its resolution.

At 1600x1200 which is almost 3Xs the resolution of a DVD, if you look close you can see the detail isn't there (b/c DVDs don't have 1600x1200 content). But a couple of feet a way, it still looks good.

No perceptible ghosting either.

[FatsoElvis]

Thanks for confirming guys

Pornos can have a lot of fast motion
Just wanted to be sure it wouldn't be blurry

[catgut]

Finally got around to playing with PIP (Picture in Picture) last night.

I was running my PC on the d-sub connector and an xbox on the svideo connector. Worked great for FTP'ing files from the PC over to the xbox, and then checking to see that they worked on the xbox immediately.

Pros: It works, scaling on the reduced svideo picture was great, didn't notice any artifacts or distortion. You can position the PIP anywhere on the screen with horizontal and vertical position controls

Cons: You have to delve into a 2nd level menu in the display in order to turn the PIP On/Off. Would be nice if there was a single dedicated physical button on the monitor to turn it on/off. No matter where I put the PIP window, eventually I needed to look "under" it to see something on the PC screen. Although you can position the window anywhere on the screen, you're limited to 3 PIP window sizes (small, medium, large). Medium was fine, but I found myself wishing that small was smaller and larger was larger.

[ziphnor]

Dell in Denmark just launched a 10% off on Dell monitors (includes the 2001FP explicitly), however the price on the dell dk website doesnt seem to have changed, how does their offers usually work? Will the 10% be taken off after you order ??

[KleeNext]

Well I finally gave in and ordered the fp2001. This forum has been a great help in deciding, thanks everyone.

The dell features pushed me over the edge - true 24bit color, 16ms response, 1600x1200, price point, etc.

I currently have a Mitsubishi 2070sb-bk 22" Crt (w ati radeon 9500pro), it looks great but it is alot bigger and heavier than an Lcd, it also causes alot of audio hum when I am recording to the computer.

I just hope I like the dell when it gets here...

[KleeNext]

ziphnor, I would add it to your cart and all that jazz etc. The price may show up that way with the discount. Otherwise, you can order over the phone to be sure you get the price that is listed. It will still get updated when you login for tracking etc.

Hope this helps.

[ziphnor]

Originally posted by KleeNext
ziphnor, I would add it to your cart and all that jazz etc. The price may show up that way with the discount. Otherwise, you can order over the phone to be sure you get the price that is listed. It will still get updated when you login for tracking etc.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the suggestion. I did try adding it to the cart, however there is no connection to the offer from the price given in the cart. I tried emailing them, and they said the listed price is the final price, even though it havent changed since the offer started! I do hope its not just a phony offer(you say "save 50%" or something, but you never actually lowered the price), that kind of thing is illegal here.

I have noticed a single price drop while keeping tabs on the price, and that was around 5%, and didnt seem related to an offer(i couldnt find one at that time anyway). Honestly i think dell is a very weird web store. As another confusing example, they have 14 days return period on Dell equipment, but 30 days on non-Dell stuff, and even worse, from the Dell 2001FP's page there is a link to the conditions of sale for the non-Dell stuff., which i find pretty misleading.

[KleeNext]

Originally posted by ziphnor
Thanks for the suggestion. I did try adding it to the cart, however there is no connection to the offer from the price given in the cart. I tried emailing them, and they said the listed price is the final price, even though it havent changed since the offer started! I do hope its not just a phony offer(you say "save 50%" or something, but you never actually lowered the price), that kind of thing is illegal here.

I have noticed a single price drop while keeping tabs on the price, and that was around 5%, and didnt seem related to an offer(i couldnt find one at that time anyway). Honestly i think dell is a very weird web store. As another confusing example, they have 14 days return period on Dell equipment, but 30 days on non-Dell stuff, and even worse, from the Dell 2001FP's page there is a link to the conditions of sale for the non-Dell stuff., which i find pretty misleading.

That is strange... My 10% off showed up in my cart and next to the monitor. I could have waited for a better deal than 10%, but... if you add free shipping and I had it shipped to work with no state tax there (ok I'm justifying to myself).

But I think that they have to honor it if they say 10% off, you prob have to talk to a person over the phone tho, they should confirm the price for you. Probably better than to trust a webcart, if it isn't listing it.

[abarsami]

I just got a 2001fp. No dead pixels. But have some black leakage on the left top and left lower part of the screen.

Should I ask for replacement? Also can I first try out the new one they send, then only if it's better send the old one back?

[TheAngryIntern]

Originally posted by abarsami
I just got a 2001fp. No dead pixels. But have some black leakage on the left top and left lower part of the screen.

Should I ask for replacement? Also can I first try out the new one they send, then only if it's better send the old one back?

Yes, if you call customer service they will send the new one first, and the stickers you need to put on the box to send it back. I actually hooked both monitors up together, just to see what 3200x1200 looked like!!!! it was pretty freakin awesome, even with one of the monitors on the analog connection.

[Curtis Stevens]

Does this monitor come with the DVI cable or is it VGA and you have to go out and buy the cable to hook it up using DVI?

Thanks
Curtis

[firstadopter]

It comes with both a DVI AND a VGA cable.

[KleeNext]

Well I got the monitor today. No dead pixels yeaaaay!!!
Had a situation, was delivered to the wrong guy at work, and he then proceeded to shred the box for it before I got there.

Anyway, I hooked it up and looks great even just through analog.

I now do see the "screen-door effect" i guess it is? But different than described. I don't see any dark lines... it looks sort of like a kind of 3d silvery shimmer that is suspended above the screen a bit.
Not enough to return it for me, it is my first Lcd, so I haven't compared it to others.

I don't notice any backlighting problems so far. I will hook it up with dvi at home, play some far cry, and see then.

So far so good, looks wonderful!
Dave

[firstadopter]

Congrats Dave! Especially, no dead pixels. That's a winner!

[KleeNext]

Well, now that I have it connected to dvi, here are my impressions. It is really really bright. I keep turning it down in my ati control panel.

I played unreal2004 and there was no ghosting.

It is definitely a change from a crt, so I am still adjusting to it. Much more room on my desk. The contrast does not seem as good since you don't get true black.
I heard that sharp has true black-tft technology but it seems they don't put it into many of their monitors (probably because of cost).

Text is very sharp.

Dave

[firstadopter]

Dave you can change the brightness in the Dell monitor control panels. The instructions should be in the manual.

I agree the initial setting is way too bright, I lowered it down and its fine now.

[KleeNext]

I did turn down the brightness on the monitor itself, and the gamma, constrast in the control panel, it does seem to help.
It is an adjustment I didn't expect would bother me this much, but the lighting for the panel is definitely quite opposite from a crt.
Behind the lcd is a very bright backlight at full blast and the pixels try to occlude and block the light to represent colors and black. A crt will light up only the phosphor pixels that aren't black, so black gets no light at all.

I am finding myself squinting while using the 2001fp at night, and turning down the brightness any more causes the contrast to get washed out. It looks fine in daylight however. I figured the lcd would be easier on my eyes, but I am actually squinting more.
Text is definitely sharper, but I may have to go back to my crt. I guess I'm just not used to Lcd panels yet.
Dave

[Beedeebede]

Just ordered my 2100FP from Dell with the 10% discount based on the suggestions of this really long thread :) It will be my first FP monitor and I primarily use this cpu for gaming.

Any advice is appreciated.

BD

[Rogue]

Just please tell me that you name is not based on that horrid sound that Twiki the robot from the old Buck Rodgers TV series makes.

Enjoy your monitor. I love mine and I bet you will love yours.

[Beedeebede]

No, it's not :P

[Jet006]

I was wondering if anyone has played any First Person Shooter games on this monitor? Like painkiller / farcry. And what was your experience? Was there any of this so called afterglow effect? Or was the monitor good? What settings did you guyz run the game at too..... thx

[Rogue]

Jet006:

I play FPS's quite a bit. I've been playing Farcry, Halo, Unreal Tournament 2004 and checking out some demos. Overall, I am very pleased considering that I am running through the D-sub connection (waiting to find an X800 XT). I have seen a tiny bit of ghosting (mostly in a racing game that my son plays). I currently play usually at 1280 x 1024, sometimes 1024x768 (once again, where is my X800 XT?). I did a monitor by monitor comparison of this and my old 19" Viewsonic and this thing stands up remarkably well. I am hoping that once I go DVI & 1600 x 1200, things will improve. The one thing I have noticed and should be of no surprise is that the blacks are not as good as on a CRT. Oh well, I decided I could live with this issue. In the long run, I have been extremely satisfied with this purchase and would do it over again.

[Jet006]

I c.. awesome.. can't wait for my Dell XPS Gen 3 computer comming next week with my 2001FP AND X800XT hehe.. should be interesting when I hook it up to max resolution with DVI =D

[Rogue]

Please let me know how the X800 XT is when you get it!!!!!

Enjoy!!!!!

[CAG]

...and free shipping @ Dell Small Business..use code 2VQ?RRPR8NWGL4 (I tried it...the code works)...offer expires 7/14.

CAG

[CAG]

Originally posted by Beedeebede
Just ordered my 2100FP from Dell with the 10% discount based on the suggestions of this really long thread :)
BD,

You may want to cancel your existing order and re-order the panel with the 25% off.

[Zatar]

One thing to note is it appears when you check out of the small business part of the site it charges you sales tax. If you check out of the "home" part of the site, it doesn't. At least, for me.

Dang, just got mine at 10% off too after waiting 6 weeks for a better sale. Hmm.

[Beedeebede]

Gah! My luck it arrives today or tomorrow...missed the better sale by a lousy 2 days. Thanks for the info though!

BD

[CAG]

BD,

You've got like a 21-day return period. You can buy another one on sale and return the 1st one (after you've checked them both for dead pixels, etc.). You might want to give Dell a call on this and see what they'll do for you...they may mark down the one that you've already ordered and you won't have to order a 2nd one...worth a shot.

[kf_man]

I have been eyeing the 2001FP for some time now. I want to use it mainly for DVI, but I can see using it for D-sub, Composite, and S-Video on occasion. I have a laptop with D-sub and an aging Nintendo 64 that still has some games that I like to play. I know the S-Video/Composite connection isn't good, but would it suffice for some minor game playing? Thanks.

[Zatar]

Oh sure, it's certainly fine for "minor game playing". I hooked my xbox up to the composite input and it looks fine. You can see scan lines but it's certainly playable and not that noticable from a distance.

Am already talking to Dell about applying the coupon to my previous order. Talking to CS dept in India is the pits. They told me that I needed to talk to Online Sales anyway.

[kf_man]

What code are you referring to? I'm anxiious to buy, but not 100% sure yet...

[firstadopter]

read the previous page kf_man for info on the code.

I actually tried my Nintendo Gamecube with 2001FP once, and it was pretty bad. I guess it's your tolerance level, but I wouldn't recommend it because it's usin a very low resolution source for 1600x1200.

[kf_man]

Oh, I'm sorry Rendition and everyone else, I forgot to mention that I spent a few hours today reading all 65 pages of the thread. I have read about your experiences, but I plan to not bring a tv to college with me in the fall and instead use a TV card in my computer to watch tv. The problem with my tv card is that it makes it impossible for me to play video games due to onboard encoding (great feature except for video games). I don't plan to play much and wonder if it's tolerable.

[Zatar]

Well, I thought it was tolerable.

I bought an xbox-to-vga adapter (http://www.x2vga.com/) but it was broken so having to send it back and get another one so cannot yet comment how much better that might look.

OK, so I talked to Dell sales and they said they didn't have any trouble with me wanting to apply this coupon to the order. However, they couldn't just change the order so they put in a new order and will send me a new monitor and then they want me to return the old monitor.

Is it just me or is that asinine? I wanted to ask them if they could process the new order, then take the box, walk out of the door, slap the RMA number on it and then walk back in the door and process it as a return. But I didn't think they really wanted to answer that question...

Oh well, my current monitor has 1 dead pixel (always on green sub-pixel) so I guess I might as well see if the new monitor has any or not. :)

I wonder if I have to pay for shipping on the return...

I also wonder if they charged me for shipping or sales tax on the new order.

-Trevor

[Beedeebede]

I tried the coupon number and it didn't work for me <shrug>

How do I check my monitor for dead pixels? Tracking via UPS says it's out for delivery so should be here any minute.

BD

[kf_man]

Just ordered my new 2001FP for 811.06 after tax and with free shipping with the 25% off coupon. I live in Monroe County, New York which has an large 8.25% sales tax...sucks! Anyway, I have my fingers crossed!

[Beedeebede]

How are you guys using the coupon? I cut and paste it into the coupon field at checkout and it doesn't adjust the total...still only get the 10% standard discount.

BD

[Zatar]

Be sure you are using the "small business" checkout not the "home" checkout. It will not work in the "home" version of the site.

To check for dead pixels you just look at the monitor really closely with an all-black screen then an all-white screen (and all green/red/blue if you like). Here's a little free utility that will display full screen colors like that for you:

http://www.dps.uk.com/freeware_DTP.htm

[kf_man]

Thanks for the tip. I actually found the coupon code on http://www.xpbargains.com and it takes you to the small business portion of the site. That made it easy for me. I will probably check for dead pixels, but if I don't notice any, i might just be like screw it...who knows...

[Beedeebede]

Unpacking mine now. Thanks for the utility. My vidcard is the 9800 Radeon Pro 256MB...should I use Svid or DVI?

BD

[Beedeebede]

Well I hooked up the DVID cable, running at full resolution...tried the neat little utility and damned if I cannot see any "dead pixels" Not sure how hard I am supposed to search for them though.

Got the coupon to work...I may have to just order another screen hehehe

BD

[CAG]

Originally posted by Beedeebede
Well I hooked up the DVID cable, running at full resolution...tried the neat little utility and damned if I cannot see any "dead pixels" Not sure how hard I am supposed to search for them though.

Got the coupon to work...I may have to just order another screen hehehe

BD
Sounds like you got a clean panel :)...My take on dead pixels is simple: if you can't see them, they don't exist.

[Beedeebede]

Thanks everyone for the help/advice. I may have missed it upthread, but I notice on darker screens that certain areas on the border of the panel appear lighter as if lighted by a light under the border...it has a strange appearance...is this normal?

BD

[CAG]

Its the backlight bleeding through. I think most panels have it to some degree. I can see it a little on mine in the 2 lower corners on a completely black screen.

[Rogue]

I agree with CAG, it is the backlight. That is why blacks don't look so dark. I got used to it fairly quickly. Think it is a preference thing. Give it a couple of days and see what you think.

[Beedeebede]

Ok one last final question I hope...when I boot up the text is messed up looking until I get to the WinXP screen then it rights itself...this doesnt seem normal.

BD

[Rogue]

When you say messed up, does that mean large and blocky looking? If so, then I believe the reason is that the computer is booting up in VGA mode (good ole 640x480). Until windows kicks in, you are not running at the resolution that you have specified in Windows.

[CAG]

Originally posted by Beedeebede
Ok one last final question I hope...when I boot up the text is messed up looking until I get to the WinXP screen then it rights itself...this doesnt seem normal.

BD

Sounds like the "pink storm"/standby/sleep mode issue. I had it on my 1st 2001FP, returned it, and then had it again on my 2nd 2001FP but not as bad. It seems that some LCD panels (Dells and other brands) when using the DVI connection will exhibit what you're seeing on boot-up and/or go into a sleep/standby mode after boot-up is complete which you can't get out of w/o turning off the computer. It apparently stems from some sort of signal interference b/t the panel and certain ATi and nVidia cards. Anyway, Dell came up with a fix here (http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=dim_monitor&message.id=33721) which generally cures the problem. I used the ATi card fix on my 2nd panel and it cured the problem completely.

[kf_man]

I was on the Dell order status site and my order was shipped! I'm very excited, but also very worried at the same time. I'm praying for no dead pixels (that I can see) and that all is well with the other problems I have heard about. We'll see very soon, projected delivery date is July 19-July 21. It has yet to show up on the UPS site, but that is normal i'm assuming. One question though, has anyone else here paid with a Debit Card that has a Visa or Mastercard logo? Dell hasn't taken the money from me yet, but the transaction could also be processing. Anyone else have a similar situation? Thanks.

EDIT: I'm also curious if anyone who has ordered from the Small Business area was allowed to have their restocking fee waived. I don't plan on sending it back, but I like having all my options open and accounted for. Thanks again.

[CAG]

Kyle,

My experience with Dell is that you'll have the monitor before you get any UPS tracking info...I predict you'll have it Friday or Monday...Dell ships the monitors from various regional warehouses and the shipping time is really short...I got a Plextor DVD burner from Dell back in March and they delivered it in 2 days. As for the restocking fee, I think Dell SB would waive it if you were replacing the monitor as opposed to asking for your $ back. In any event, I've never heard of anyone who has ever had to pay the re-stocking fee.

[kf_man]

Ok, thanks for the info. I know that well, a few years ago when I bought my Dell P792 (a great monitor based on the Sony Trinitron tube), I got the monitor and the site was only telling me "order received." Apparently they aren't good at keeping us informed. I do however, have a tracking number, but it is not valid on the UPS site. I'm just gonna stop worrying about it and maybe my "new toy" anxiety will go away. I hope to be really happy with this monitor and if all is well, I will be happy! :D

[Beedeebede]

Dell Customer service was great...got the 15% added to the monitor I received yesterday, plus ordered another for my wife who covets mine now!...so got the 25% off on both. Kudos to DELL CS really...damn few CS that helpful.

Ill try the fix posted above for the blockiness on bootup...I run at the default resolution for the monitor (1600x1200).

BD

[CAG]

Glad to see it worked out for you, BD. :)

[Zatar]

Who put the 15% on your old order? They specifically told me they couldn't do that...

[Beedeebede]

Not sure the name...but I convinced them it made more sense than to ship another monitor at the discount price and give my $ back after I shipped the monitor back to them.

BD

[firstadopter]

I bet it totally depends on which customer service rep you get or which manager is there in India.

Most of these guys are in India, so it probably just luck. Or you may just try calling different hours to hit different shifts.

[MailManX]

I'm guessing that he either got Gupta or Sumeet. They are both there a lot!

[Beedeebede]

Actually, the Indian CS rep sent me to sales who sent me back to CS who was in the US and she helped me.

BD

[firstadopter]

I read the Indian customer service reps actually take on American names and try to master the Southern accents, so they can pretend they are in the States to customers.

[CAG]

Originally posted by MailManX
I'm guessing that he either got Gupta or Sumeet. They are both there a lot!
If this was meant to be funny, it was!

[MailManX]

Originally posted by CAG
If this was meant to be funny, it was!

It was definitely tongue-in-cheek. I wondered if anyone would notice.

Speaking of Gupta, I watched "The Terminal" with Tom Hanks this weekend and was very impressed. Spielberg and Hanks sure know how to tell a story. I know this is off topic, but I figured I'd mention it while it was on my mind. Now back to the 2001FP discussions!

Michael

[lpgib]

Hi, I have just got my new 2001FP, and I thought I'd share my mini review. First off, this is a BIG monitor, adjusting to life in 1600x1200 will take some time. The screen door effect is there. For some reason the desktop seems to magnify it to some degree. Also, I have read that dead pixels drive people mad. As soon as I turned the monitor on, I began to scan for the dreaded dead pixels. I have 3....right at eye level. But after using it for awhile the dead (or should I say "stuck pixels") seem to go away. This was my biggest concern about a LCD, but I have to say that it is not that big of a deal. So for people that are reading this, and are current CRT owners dont worry about a few dead or stuck pixels, with a native res of 1600x1200, you will hardly notice them. And one more thing, this monitor rocks for gaming! I read what CAG said about UT and tried it for myself......and I thought my 19" CRT looked great. Thanks everyone for the great reviews of this monitor, it was what sold me.

[CAG]

lpgib,

Welcome to the board and thanks for the review. BTW, I'm one of those who can't live with dead pixels. I wish I could...it would certainly make life a little less complicated. ;)

CAG

[Zatar]

Well, my 2nd monitor is shipped now so whatever.

Now I just have to talk to a rep about why I want to return the first monitor... Hope whoever that turns out to be speaks English as a first language.

My 1 dead pixel is only noticable if that area of the screen happens to be black or near-black so I hardly ever notice it, just when the screen blanks for some reason usually.

[MailManX]

I just had the oddest thing happen. It's 12:30 a.m. and I couldn't sleep so I'm at the computer. Out of the corner of my eye I spotted a dead pixel. That really ticked me off since my 2001FP arrived without any dead pixels about three months ago. But as I stared at the little spot, it began to move. At first I thought my eyes were just getting buggy from lack of sleep. But then the pixel moved some more. It turned out to be a very tiny little insect that had landed on my screen and, after a period of inactivity, decided to check out the scenery.

[firstadopter]

hahaha... it probably was attracted to all the pretty life-like colors of the 2001FP!!

[ziphnor]

Hmm.. got my Dell 2001fp 2 days ago. Immediatly spotted a stuck green subpixel near the center of the screen, further examination revealed several more, most however nearly invisible. Even worse though, the backlight seems to be horrible poor, the upper right corner is much brighter lit on dark images, and there are similar issues elsewhere on the screen. The backlight on the cheap 17" LCD next to me right now, has better backlight.

I have spotted the strange "screendoor" effect, but i havent really decided whether or not its a problem for me yet. It reminds me somewhat of the effect you get when a normal LCD is a bit dirty, and the light reflects slightly different on the "grease" and on top of that the lines seems alternately dark/light. I keep wanting to clean the display :) Im wondering what causes that effect, maybe its some moire thing or perhaps even just the antiglare surface.

The colors seem good, and it seems well calibrated with regards to gamma. However the black isnt as black as i would like, i have tried comparing directly to the 17" LCD here, but its hard to match gamma/brightness/contrast in order to make a fair comparison(ie you can easily make one have the darkest black, but then some things get so dark (for example in movies) that you cant see them anymore).

Anyway, this one is definetly going back. Btw, i must say Dell in Denmark has really horrid service, i wont bore you with the story, but ill just say that apart from perhaps giving the Dell 2001FP another try, i wont be buying anything from dell in the near future!

[CAG]

ziphnor,

Too bad about the panel...here's hoping you have better luck with the replacement.

CAG

[Rogue]

ziphnor,

My first panel had over 50 stuck subpixels. My second does not have one (fingers crossed). I hope you have as good of luck with your second one as I did with mine.

[Zatar]

So I got my 2nd monitor today and of course I opened it to see if it had any dead pixels.

It has 1 dead sub pixel, just like the first one.

So now I have to choose: Is it better to have 1 green sub-pixel always on or to have 1 red sub-pixel never on?

Oh, and I also noted that the 2nd monitor had definately been opened and sent back before, the 1st monitor appeared pristine.

-Trevor

[Rogue]

I'd probably opt for the red never on, but it could depend on were on the screen it is. If it were mine, I'd send them both back and go for a third. For that much money I expect perfection - at least initially.

Good luck on whatever you choose to do.

[ziphnor]

Dell in denmark doesnt have a policy of replacing amonitor until you are happy with it( from the us posts that seems to be the case in the US?). However there is 14 days to return it in, which will give you your money back minus the cost of shipment. Then you can order another one if you like. I dont think they are clever enough to check if you have ordered one before, which might otherwise have made them ship a previously returned one.
Anyway its currently 10% off, which has saved me enough of the price to ship back and forth more than a few times.

Have anyone else here had problems with uneven backlighting, btw?

[Beedeebede]

Got my 2nd 2001FP and it is PERFECT. No dead pixels and the backlight isn't messed up so that a black screen is indeed black. Going to try to send the first one back and get one with a good backlight.

BD

[kf_man]

I received my new 2001FP last friday and I am very happy with it. The first thing I noticed was how bright and vivid the screen is. Even more so, I have no noticable dead pixels on this screen and the infamous screen door affect was noticeable at first, but it's even hard to look for it now. I did do the dead pixel test from MonitorsDirect and found that I only have one dead pixel. This is very acceptable to me and I have no other complaints as of yet. There really isn't much else to say that hasn't been said, but all in all, this was money well spent.

[firstadopter]

Congrats to both of you, that is great news! Enjoy 2001-dom.

[FabFoobar]

Well, the 2001FP just went on sale again today for 25% off with the coupon code: QBT2C0XBX35R2N (thanks techbargains.com).

And I finally broke down and ordered it. Unfortunately the e-mail I got says it won't ship until Friday, but we'll have to wait and see.

I'm crossing my fingers for a perfect monitor. Here's hoping for no dead pixels!

Also wanted to say thanks to all those who posted their experiences here. This particular forum topic was a key reason I made the purchase. I've been lurking for quite some time.

Anyway, I'll report back as soon as it comes in. Later!

[CAG]

FabFoobar,

Welcome to the forum. Congrats on your purchase and we look forward to your review.

CAG

[MailManX]

In case you didn't know about this, Dell makes FedEx get a signature at delivery. If you aren't home when it arrives, they take it back to the FedEx facility. Then you can either make arrangement to pick it up there or they will try to deliver it again the next day.

Michael

[Siskods9]

Well it was a toss up between the Viewsonic VP201b or the DELL 2001FP.

I went with the DELL in the end as (a) its 100 Euros cheaper @1032 Euros and (b) its got a 7 day period where I can get a no questions asked - refund.

I'm based in Ireland BTW.

My last monitor was an iiyama 17" AS4314UTbk (using a Hydis 20ms panel). So I'm hoping that the DELL will live up to it as the iiyama was really good in most areas, especially gaming.

Fingers crossed and please God let there be nothing wrong with it / backlight issues or stuck / burnt pixels.

I went ahead and ordered it yesterday (July 20 / 2004) I should have it by July 30.

Did I do the right thing???

[captainkrusty]

Hey everyone, Im a new member and wanted to say thank you to everyone that has posted their thoughts on the 2001FP. After reading everyones thoughts I think I will be buying the Dell as soon as I can save the money

A few questions though if someone can help.

I have the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro with 128megs on it, will this be enough to run the newer fps coming out at 1600 x 1200?

If its not enough, Ive read that picture is not bad when scaling down to the lower resolutions, whats not bad?

And for the last one, is there any thing coming out soon that I might want to wait and see about?

Thanks again, this is a great forum, Im glad I found it.

JC

[firstadopter]

I really don't like scaling down, it doesn't look good to my eyes. That's being said, I'm very happy with my ATI 9700 with P4 2.66ghz running most games at 1600x1200.

Call of Duty runs fine on my setup. The only game I'd be worried about are Doom3 and Halflife 2.

The older games work great at 1600x1200.

[Fox1]

Well after wading through all the posts. I took the plunge and ordered one of these Dells before the 25% went away. Sure hope I don't any dead pixels or screen doors! I was looking at the samsung 213T and the Viewsonic. I felt that the samsung didn't cut it for DVD and gaming and the Dell had the same panel as the viewsonic and was $300 cheaper.

I'm running an Athlon 64 3200+ , 1 MB Ram, Audigy 2, and an Msi RX9800 Pro overclocked beyond 9800XT so i don't expect any issues with games at 1600x1200.

[Beedeebede]

Well I received TWO new 2001FP monitors now as replacements for the one with the bad backlight bleedthru. Going to test them out now to see if they are perfect like my other one then back to DELL with them.

Kudos to DELL really for overnighting replacements monitors even if the effort was a duplicate.

BD

[Rogue]

CaptainKrusty,

I play most of my games (Halo, Farcry) in 1280 x1024 (D-sub), only because my current video card can't do much better (a GeForce 3, trying to find a X800 XT). I find it quite acceptable, but that may be because I have not seen aything higher. Once I get to 1600 x 1200, my opinion may change. But at this time, I am quite satisfied. It looks every bit as good as my old 19 viewsonic.

[CAG]

Welcome to the board Siskods9, captainkrusty and Fox1 :).

[CAG]

Originally posted by Beedeebede
Well I received TWO new 2001FP monitors now as replacements for the one with the bad backlight bleedthru. Going to test them out now to see if they are perfect like my other one then back to DELL with them.

Kudos to DELL really for overnighting replacements monitors even if the effort was a duplicate.

BD
Wonder when Dell is going to catch on to your little scam, BD? ;)

[Beedeebede]

It's hardly a scam. They shipped a defective monitor and it's their fault they shipped two replacements. I'll keep the best of the 2 and ship the rest back.

BD

[CAG]

I was just joking, BD :).

[SphinctOr]

I've been debating such an expensive purchase for about a month or so...many thanks to those that participated in this lively forum.

I bought mine July 19th at 11:00pm.

It shipped on 07-20-2004.

- I used the 25% off coupon w/free shipping.
- I also used the FatWallet.com 2.5% rebate option (Real easy if it actually works) Sent as a rebate later on...
details: http://www.fatwallet.com/cashback/shop.php

Too bad I had to pay sales tax here in Florida. ;-(

Grand total of $ 801.70, shipped 3-5 day.

It's now Wednesday at 11:30 pm and my UPS tracking number finally started working. I guess it takes a day of so to process in the UPS system...made me nervous.

Now it is taunting me from Orlando, Florida...about 2 hours from here. Hopefully I will get it tomorrow!!

I'll give a full review after I set it up. I hope to be one of the 53% that got NO dead pixels! (from the poll)

Thanks again for everyone's input.

For now, I'll just read the online manual: http://docs.us.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/2001fp/en/index.htm


John
Tampa, Florida

[ResidualEffect]

So, I just got my 2001FP yesterday after reading tons of reviews and many of the posts in this thread. I have a couple problems though:

- The backlight is messed up in the top left corner and in the top right corner. It is extremely annoying when I am playing a widescreen movie as it is always black at the top of the screen.

- 1 dead pixel which is stuck off. I don't care about this since I can't find it unless the screen is fully white and I look really close for it. Truthfully this is pretty good considering the number of pixels on the screen.

- The colors are horrible. I have it hooked up to my Radeon 9800 Pro with the DVI connection and am running it at 1600x1200x32. I expected better - Specifically, colors that should be grey are showing up as tanish colors.

- The power block makes an extremely annoying whistle sound when the monitor is in standby mode, which made me unplug it last night because I wanted to get some sleep.

- I notice the famous screen-door effect, but it doesn't bother me. Also it becomes much less visible when increasing the brightness of the monitor from its default setting of 50.

So, is it just me or is my monitor broken? This monitor is nowhere near as good as everybody says it is, even compared to my cheap 17" LCD I was using before. What does everyone else think?

[Siskods9]

I just took delivery of mine... It was due to arrive on 07/30/2004 but DELL got it to me in 48 hours!

I set it up with Zero problems... Actually there was less trouble setting it up than any other monitor I've ever had.

I got it delivered to work, and we only run NT 4.0 here so I couldn't do too much with it.

My first impression was very positive. Remember that I've only had it 45 minutes now.

At 1024x768 the image quality (desktop apps) was superb. Next I pushed it up to 1600x1200. WOW...

Upon initial inspection (and I have looked carefully) there are no stuck or dead pixels. THANK YOU GOD!

The backlight seems fine. My blacks are black, more so than my last TFT (17" iiyama) and I've yet to perceive any "screen door" effect.

I'm currently running some bog standard screensavers on it in, kind of a modest burn in test if you will. When I get it home later I'll throw some DVDs and some proper video game action at it.

So far, I like it, A LOT!

[SphinctOr]

Hey ResidualEffect,

I'd call dell and have them overnight you another moniter.
Then you can decide if it is the monitor...which I assume it is.
You'll have both LCD's to look at and compare, until you ship one (or both) back. You'll get the replacement FAST.


Ref:

Originally posted by ResidualEffect

So, is it just me or is my monitor broken? This monitor is nowhere near as good as everybody says it is, even compared to my cheap 17" LCD I was using before. What does everyone else think? [/B]

[Rogue]

ResidualEffect,

I agree, get another one shipped out. My power block is quiet as can be. The colors are great, in fact I could not believe how much better it looked compared to my CRT. Sound like a bad monitor to me (but I'm no expert).

[SphinctOr]

Has anyone used any Monitor Calibration software /hardware?

I plan on using my 2001FP for photos and print work. Just curious if this is worth it...for $89.00 new.

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[FabFoobar]

Well, my monitor came in yesterday morning. Talk about a good turnaround time. From ordering Monday 6PM, to receiving Wednesday 10AM. Granted, I live in Dallas, but still, that's terriffic!

I left work early to try it out. I hooked everything up with the DVI cable supplied, and my first impression was WHOA!

Then, I nervously surveyed the screen for dead pixels and the backlight issue.

Before running any tests, I couldn't detect any dead pixels. After downloading LCDTest, I've found one single dead pixel in the upper left portion of the screen.

My screen does also have a small bit of backlight bleedthrough in the upper left, and lower left.

Maybe I'm not fussy enough, but none of these things bother me at all. The dead pixel is undetectable unless you run the test program. Also, I run with a mostly black background, and the backlighting issue isn't detectable. Only when the monitor goes blank does it really show.

The monitor is really bright. Even when I turn the brightness all the way down, it still seems bright to me. Although, it may just be my imagination. We'll see over the next few weeks, just how much of an issue this is.

Using Windows normally at 1600x1200 is awesome. Did I mention, that I love screen real estate?=) No issues with normal usage, web browsing, etc. Looking at digital photos is a lot nicer now, too.

The other thing I did was to hook my laptop to the monitor using the analog cable. Now I can have both my PC and laptop using the LCD simultaneoulsy, and can switch b/w at the touch of a button. Using the LCD for my laptop is very nice. I'm thinking that now I'll work from home more often.

Now for the ultimate litmus test. Gaming! I ran UT2K4 and Battlefield: Vietnam. Running both of them at 1600x1200x32 full detail was amazing, but a little laggy. When I bumped down to 1280x1024, things were much better with respect to lag, and the view was just as good. I did notice a little bit of ghosting, but I got used to it pretty quickly. And honestly, I'm not too sure if the high resolution strain on my video card played a part in it or not.

Here are my system specs for those interested in benchmarking against theirs:
Intel P4 2.8GHz
NVidia Ti4400 128MB
1 Gb CAS2 RAM

I am doubting that I'll get to play HL2 or Doom3 at 1280x1024 on this config, but here's hoping!

All in all, I am very pleased with the monitor I received. The dead pixel is so tiny that you will never notice it during normal operation. It's the size of a pinhead. The backlighting is noticeable at times, but it is not nearly bad enough to complain about.

I want to thank all of you for posting your experiences and reviews about this monitor. And I hope that my post has provided some value to those who are looking to make the same purchase that I've made.

[CAG]

Siskods9 and FabFoobar, thanks for the reviews :).

FabFoobar, I don't care what the tests say... if you can't actually "see" a dead pixel, it doesn't exist.

CAG

[CAG]

Originally posted by SphinctOr
Has anyone used any Monitor Calibration software /hardware?

I plan on using my 2001FP for photos and print work. Just curious if this is worth it...for $89.00 new.
Thanks for the Colorvision link...I'd like to try some of their stuff out but it doesn't look like you can get it on a trial basis.

[Beedeebede]

ResidualEffect,

I have a similar set up to you. The colors should be perfect...make sure you look at the color settings...it ships with a red tint I think (ie not 50/50/50 RGB) I reset it to that and colors are nice and perfect.

Also, the backlight bleedthru seems to be a common problem. My first one had it bad, then the second has 0 bleedthru. The third has minimal but not perfect so I am checking a 4th and will keep the best of the replacements.

IMO, if you have ANY displeasure at all, call or email DELL and get a replacement sent. They are very accomodating and at $800 plus they need to be.

BD

[Beedeebede]

CAG,

Sorry I missed the emoticon :)

BD

[Fox1]

I'm waiting for my Dell and decided to try the Monitor test on 2 laptops, a Toshiba (15") in work and a Compaq (14") at home. No dead pixels on either one, so what's the deal with Dell? Are 20" screens that much harder to make than 14 and 15" lapyop screens? Is there some difference in the screens?

[firstadopter]

Yes. Multiply 1600x1200 pixels = 1.9M pixels. That is a lot more than 1024x768 = 786K pixels plus in a close higher density area.

It's much tougher. Remember each pixel is a tiny transistor.

[Fox1]

But I'd have thought that the transister deposition process and QC is similar despite the larger number of Pixels

[CAG]

Originally posted by Beedeebede
CAG,

Sorry I missed the emoticon :)

BD
No problem, BD :).

[CAG]

A news item here (http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20040720A8046.html) from digitimes says that BenQ with introduce a 9ms 17" panel later in Sept (in Taiwan). There's gotta be some technological limit to LCD response times...wonder what it is?

[SphinctOr]

Wow. Looks great!
So far so good.

My helpful hints:

1. Turn on ClearType: http://www.microsoft.com/typography/cleartype/tuner/1.htm

2. Use MonitorsDirect's Calibrator to test the LCD online (free) . Found here: http://www.monitorsdirect.com/toolkit/index.shtml

3. Pray for no dead pixels.

4. Update your video card driver to latest version. Some newer cards support the Rotation feature. Great for web surfing...less scrolling!

5. Test video with Windows Media Player High-Def videos!
Wow!! http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/content_provider/film/ContentShowcase.aspx


6. If you feeling brave, test Microsoft's BETA windows media player 10 Technical preview -- (I love it..)http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/mp10/default.aspx

Item I'm still struggling with: Setting the color.

The monitor comes defaulted to "Normal Preset".
It does not look normal to me. I changed it to "User Preset" and it looks better...But damn is this monitor bright. Especially sitting in the dark like I do.

Anyone have any tips on setting the color...without buying a $90 color spider?!

John
Tampa, FL

[firstadopter]

Wow I must have a dim monitor because once I lower the brightness level down to like 20-30s, it's pretty medium brightness with me.

[TheAngryIntern]

Originally posted by CAG
A news item here (http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20040720A8046.html) from digitimes says that BenQ with introduce a 9ms 17" panel later in Sept (in Taiwan). There's gotta be some technological limit to LCD response times...wonder what it is?

Well, after ms, we still have nanoseconds (ns) just like when cpus went to nm process technology

[CAG]

But figure 9ms (90ns...or is it 900ns?) on a panel the size of the 2001FP with a native res. of 1920Xsomething...your eyeballs would explode! :eek:

[TheAngryIntern]

it would be cool, but by the time they get to that point, we'll be using a totally different technology and LCD's will be a thing of the past!!

[CAG]

I don't know...we could be talking Summer-Fall next year on 20+" 9ms panels.

[curiousz]

Hey, I browsed this board and it finally made me purchase the new Dell 2001FP!

I couldn't pass up the 720 dollar price tag for a 20 inch screen, when only a week ago I was considering a samsung 19 inch screen with less resolution, longer response time, and less real estate (1600 x 1200 is awesome).

It should come early next week. However, before I get it, I want to make sure I can run a "dual monitor set up"...

I have a Ti 4200 (64 MB) graphics card, and it has one VGA output and one DVI output.

Will I be able to connect my CRT to the VGA and my LCD to the DVI and run dual monitor on my card, or not?

I'd be severely disappointed if this is not true, as dual browsing is a huge plus :)

Thanks for all your help,

*crosses fingers on a quality LCD screen*

[TheAngryIntern]

Welcome to the forum, curiousz!! I can see no reason why you would not be able to run dual monitor setup. I had a very brief dual monitor setup with two 2001FP's (3200x1200 is freakin awesome!!) but alas, the one with the bad pixels had to go back. I have a 9800XT and the dual monitor ran just fine. You are going to absolutely s**t yourself when you first turn this monitor on. It is so amazing how much screen real estate you have and how bright and vivid the colors are. I've had no problems with any games so far. Lately i've been addicted to Star Wars: KOTOR and i'm running it at 1280x1024 with most of the eye candy on, and it looks so amazing on this screen. I also play a lot of Day of Defeat at 1600x1200 which is awsome as well.

Well, welcome again, and as customary, fingers crossed for no dead pixels!!!

[curiousz]

Fast response! This thread is the best wealth of information on one product I have ever seen, lol, it's almost ridiculous.

About a week ago, I had people telling me to get the Samsung 710T as well -- that's the model that has the 12 ms response time. It's around 500 bux.

But for only 200 dollars more, I get so much more (3 more inches of screen size, which is huge, I hope I'm really shocked by this display -- when I compare a 14 inch screen on a laptop to a 17 inch screen it's a tremendous difference, so I should see a similar difference between a 20 inch and a 17 inch screen).

Is there any way to check to see if I have a "dual monitor" setting, or does it simply prompt up whenever you have two monitors connected?

I may just have to purchase a new video card, though that would be a bit of a bummer.

Have you tried playing any console games on this panel? I don't really intend to, but I suppose you can get higher resolutions on Xbox/Ps2/GC games?

It's good to hear this display looks great with videogames, I only wish my video card could handle them at those resolutions... :)

[TheAngryIntern]

you should be able to check your dual monitor capabilities by opening up your display properties and going to the advanced button under the Settings tab and then go to the Displays tab. But I would just about guarantee that you would be able to do so, otherwise, why would they put both connectors on the card?

I think earlier in this thread (and i'm sure that most newcomers feel that it is a bit overwhelming!!! I'm just thankful that I discovered it when it was only a few pages long, instead of it's now 70+ pages!!!) but I'm pretty sure that someone talked about the console gaming performance as being pretty sub-par. Which is understandable. You are not going to be able to get better resolution out of the games, as the are coded specifically for TV's, which have a resolution of, what? 640x480 or something like that. The 2001FP can scale down resolution a bit, but not quite that far, i'm guessing.

And about the video card. The 4200 is a bit old, but I rarely run games at 1600x1200, cuz they just don't run as well, even with a 9800xt. I run most games at 1280x1024, except Day of Defeat, but since that is a mod of a game made in 1998, my computer can handle 1600x1200 no prob. But even at 1280x1024, i can notice no appreciable decrease in picture quality. Maybe i'm just not that picky, but i don't like using the 1:1 scaling thing, as it basically runs the game in a smaller window. I figured I paid for the 20.1" I'm going to use all of it!!! But anyway, i still think the image quality is fantastic at a lower than native resolution. I guess that's all for tonight. Sorry for my ramblings. Be sure to check out the other topics on this site. It's a great site, but we have far too little participation, this thread being the exception. /shameless plug for the site!

[ricobird]

OK, I'm convinced. I want to upgrade my Nokia 445Xi CRT monitor to the 2001FP! Please help a newbie computer user out.Will a 2001FP be compatible with my existing vidio card? The card that came with my HP computer(about 8 months old) is: Nvidia Ge Force 4 MX 440 with AGP8X. Is this enough information? Also, if an upgrade is required, any suggestions? All of you guys have been great!!! Thanks for sharing your computer knowledge.

[firstadopter]

Rico, check to see if you have a DVI connector on the back of your video card.

2001FP will definitely work in analog mode since it's the same cable your current monitor uses now, but a DVI connector (digital) is recommended to get the best screen performance.

If it doesn't have a DVI connector, you can buy any of the new ATI cards or Nvidia cards. The "best bang for buck" right now I recommend is the ATI 9600 line of cards.

[curiousz]

Hey everyone, I've been reading this post and it's made me a bit scared of my purchase of this monitor (for the long term.... )

http://genmay.com/showthread.php?t=398808

Check that thread out... :(

What happens a year down the road if I have these issues?

Will they send me a 2001FP or a 2002FP?

[CAG]

curiousz,

I suppose pixels can die "down the road". But I have 3 LCD's: a 15" no-name brand (4yrs old and no dead/stuck pixels), a 17" Dell (2yrs old and no dead/stuck pixels), and my 2001FP (4 months old and no dead/stuck pixels). If you get the 2001FP and it has a pixel problem that you can't live with, return/replace it (which the guy in the thread you linked us to probably should do). As you can read from the posts in this forum, Dell is really good about returns.

CAG

[curiousz]

Hrm, another issue:

Can my card (GF ti4200) support the 1600 x 1200 resolution with the DVI output?

That would be horrible if it can't.

[firstadopter]

Nvidia TI4200s do support 1600x1200. DVI I think depends on which brand card you have.

Unlike that Genmay thread, I have no burn-in problems whatsoever. Although I do have a screensaver going. LCDs aren't known for burn in problems, that being said I do not leave my screen on the same static image for hours.

[TheAngryIntern]

i tried to recreate his experiment, and i left a MS Paint made picture of Dell Rulz on my screen for roughly 15-20 min and i noticed absolutely no screen burn. He claimed he got his from just a few minutes. My inner conspiracy theorist is kicking in....what if that guy is really a Viewsonic rep, and is trying to make people not want the Dell, cuz it's a lot better and cheaper than their 20" LCD??? OK, maybe not. I'm 99.9999% sure that you can run normal applications at 1600x1200 with the Ti4200 (e.g. web browsers, mail client, word processor, etc....) but most likely games probably wouldn't get much over 1024x768 with that card.

[CAG]

I tried to register @ the genmay forum to give them a link to this forum and maybe set them straight. This is what I got:

"General [M]ayhem has banned new registrations from your email domain. This is most likely caused by abuse from that domain. Our forums require the use of a non-free email service. Other email domains that may be banned include large Internet providers (aol.com, msn.com, etc)."

My email domain is adelphia which is clearly not free nor is it anything like an aol or msn...weird.

Somebody else want to give it a shot?

CAG

[firstadopter]

I registered using another .com email address, but they haven't approved my posting feature yet. grrr... That poster, 2001FP heretic, is going down!

[TheAngryIntern]

i've already registered, but i can't make any posts yet. I'm still waiting for my account to be activated by a moderator so I can post. I was going to do the exact same thing, give them the link to here so people can see that the dude is definitely in the minority about the monitor.

[CAG]

Genmay's restrictive email domain policy doesn't make alot of sense. Conventional wisdom for a forum is to have more members, not less. But if its less they want, they're certainly on the right track.

[firstadopter]

I'm finding myself playing Counterstrike and Day of Defeat most often out my games in 1600x1200. On the 2001FP it's glorious. I'm prepping myself for Half-life 2 Counstrike's Source engine. God that is going to be awesome.

What games are you guys loving it on 1600x1200 2001FP action?

[idx]

First off - great forum and this is one hell of a thread. :D

I read the first 20 pages thinking I was almost through then found out there were almost 80!!! (then read the last 20 just to be paranoid)

I wasn't in the market for a new monitor, but I noticed the Sony HS93 on sale at Staples (and many other locations - standard 100 off) and the Samsung 912N at Best Buy. The Sony looked like crap in the store, but some of that could be due to the machine. (though the controls and limited movement were annoying)

Any consensus on the 912N for gaming? (too many pages here to look through if it has been mentioned) I've been drooling over the 2001FP from these posts (and cringing in horror over some of the weird stuck/dead pixel and burn-in posts at other sites) and even though I can get 25% off, that's still a nice chunk of $$.

From what I've seen it doesn't look like the 912N has DVI in. Maybe not a deal breaker, but if the 2001fp works much better with dvi, I might as well utilize it.

Upgrading my monitor isn't a big concern, but more desk space would be nice. (samsung syncmaster 955SL is a beast)

Here's some system specs incase that helps. (don't laugh :) - bought it in 2001/2002)

p4 1.7ghz
256mb ram (soon to be at least 512)
hercules geforce3 64mb
sb live 5.1

I mainly play cs, gta VC, dod and several other FPS's and hope to run HL2 when it comes out. (without too much upgrading) Not sure how well 1600x1200 would fly on this PC, but I'm willing to tone it down with the 1:1 mapping.

ha, just saw your last post Rendition. Just the thought of CS/HL/DOD looking better has me clicking to dell.com now. lol


-r

[firstadopter]

idx, You HAVEN'T experienced Counterstrike, until you've played it on a 2001FP at 1600x1200. It's pure heaven. And with Counterstrike Source coming in a few months, it will be heaven's heaven.

I'm even thinking of buying the lame Counterstrike Condition Zero to get in on the Source beta test.

Here's another reminder to all you new posters/readers, if you enjoy this thread, read and participate in the other forums/threads here on FirstAdopter. The people here are some of the coolest, nicest, smartest around, join and participate in the community.

If you don't see a topic of interest, start your own! :) Also do tell your online friends about here, we always can use more smart people.

[idx]

lol. I can't wait!

BTW, how's the eyestrain for extended use of the 2001FP? I haven't noticed until recently, but this 955SL is killing me.

(I do lots of php development so when on a project I'm staring at the screen for several hours at a time. ..typically in a dark room)

-r

[Fox1]

Well it came on Friday..2 days after I placed the order but didn't have time to set it up before I went away to the beach for the weekend. Just finished setting it up and it is just awesome. Did the pixels test and so far have not seen any dead or stuck pixels. I am happy, happy,happy.Played Far Cry at 1600x1200 and no smearing. Tried a DVD as well with the same result. The only problem I had was with XP after I installed the Dell driver from the CD, XP took a looooooonnnng time to boot, but seems ok now. Will have to see if there is a new driver on Dell's web site

[Fox1]

Forgot to say I am using DVI input

[Beedeebede]

Well, I finally got my 2nd 2001FP and it's nearly flawless with minimal backlight bleedthru. I hook it up and all seems well....BUT..


Now my cpu hangs after the bootscreen unless I go into safe mode. Both the DSub and DVI connections work in safe mode but not in regular mode. I even uninstall/reinstalled ATI drivers (my card is the 9800 Radeon Pro 256MB) and the same thing happens. This is mass depressing.

Anyone have any ideas? I hope I didn't fry the DVI portion of the card but again the DVI works in safe mode only so that's not it right?

BD <panting>

[Beedeebede]

Whew, it wasn't my card. Seems that the one replacement DELL sent that I had chosen somehow got stuck in power saving mode. I tried all I could do to get it back but no going. Worked fine in VGA mode. Wonder if the monitor got fried by a spike or something?

The backlight on the working one isn't as good as the broken one, but then again it's working.


BD

[everydeal]

This deal keeps getting better!

Dell 2001FP for $709.25 shipped with new $40 coupon (expires after 1500 uses, so hurry!)

Deal info: http://www.gottadeal.com/deal-info-id-3109-store-dellhome.html

[idx]

Now that's just too good to pass on. 2001FP ordered! :)

That extra 40 basically took care of tax. Sweet.

-r

[thisisnuts]

Here's a crazy question. For those who have the right video card to receive TV input, how does this monitor stack up against LCD TVs for tv viewing.

Would you consider this a superior display for TV viewing?